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    DEAR PROFESSIONAL COMPUTER TOUCHERS -- FRIDAY RANT THREAD FOR June 15, 2018 CS Career Questions


    DEAR PROFESSIONAL COMPUTER TOUCHERS -- FRIDAY RANT THREAD FOR June 15, 2018

    Posted: 15 Jun 2018 12:08 AM PDT

    AND NOW FOR SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

    THE BUILDS I LOVE, THE SCRIPTS I DROP, TO BE PART OF, THE APP, CAN'T STOP

    THIS IS THE RANT THREAD. IT IS FOR RANTS.

    CAPS LOCK ON, DOWNVOTES OFF, FEEL FREE TO BREAK RULE 2 IF SOMEONE LIKES SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T BUT IF YOU POST SOME RACIST/HOMOPHOBIC/SEXIST BULLSHIT IT'LL BE GONE FASTER THAN A NEW MESSAGING APP AT GOOGLE.

    (RANTING BEGINS AT MIDNIGHT EVERY FRIDAY, BEST COAST TIME. PREVIOUS FRIDAY RANT THREADS CAN BE FOUND HERE.)

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    Daily Chat Thread - June 15, 2018

    Posted: 15 Jun 2018 12:08 AM PDT

    Please use this thread to chat, have casual discussions, and ask casual questions. Moderation will be light, but don't be a jerk.

    This thread is posted every day at midnight PST. Previous Daily Chat Threads can be found here.

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    Drawing the line beteeen "Its ok, we're a startup" and "This is a complete mess"?

    Posted: 15 Jun 2018 09:26 AM PDT

    Hi, I'll keep it short. I recently joined a startup that looked promising. Coming from a more corporate environment I'm seeing more and more red flags around me as 6 months have passed.

    I'm having a difficult time taking the "Its ok, we're a startup, we can't do <requirements, documentation, processes, planning, training, strategy, etc, etc, etc>

    I knew things would be less structured and was told that was actually something I could contribute to help them grow with my background. But there's pushback and complaints to EVERYTHING I propose. I don't know what were doing from day to day, people have no idea what were building and we redo the same work over and over as 10 different stakeholders all change their minds.

    How much of this should I take as being ok, startups can be a bit frantic, and at what point would you just throw in a towel and admit a company is a complete mess.

    I know startups are less structured but I also don't think "We're a startup" should be an excuse for not doing basic stuff or having goals or plans in mind.

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    CS Student who just can’t find the desire to code on my free time. Will this hurt me down the road?

    Posted: 15 Jun 2018 01:22 PM PDT

    I'm going into my second year of a CS degree (my program is kind of intensive since I'm a transfer student so I'll be doing my 2nd and 3rd year in 1). During the summer I teach coding at a summer camp. And I do enjoy my classes and like coding at work but I cannot for the life of me find the desire to learn new things or code on my own outside of work or school.

    I really appreciate my off time, and I have a lot of other hobbies outside of tech related stuff. I worry this will hurt me when I go to find a job since I won't have any side projects to show.

    So a few questions:

    • Will my experience teaching coding (it's a course for teenagers and the course covers (in Java) the super basics like variables, if statements, loops, arrays, OOP, classes etc) be enough to help me land a job or at least an actual internship that involves programming even though I'm teaching very basic things? This summer is my second year doing this and I'd like to go back for a third year next year, but it'll probably be more beneficial for me to find an actual internship

    • What should I do if I don't have the desire to code outside of school? Do I NEED to do this or will it only hurt me not doing it?

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    What do you think is the hardest part of being a software engineer?

    Posted: 15 Jun 2018 01:57 PM PDT

    Do you guys find the lack of social interaction to be the hardest part about being a software engineer? I'm starting to realize how depressed I've become from using a computer daily and communicating with a compiler. I'd have to say my biggest struggle in this field is coping with the lack of human interaction, since all of my socialization comes from online forums and message boards. Sometimes I forget how to have normal conversations with people without overthinking and overanalyzing everything. It's weird.

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    Does anyone have advice on how to find a challenging software engineering job that also encourages a healthy work/life balance?

    Posted: 15 Jun 2018 06:58 AM PDT

    Hi all,

    Let me preface this with some background.

    I've only worked a couple years in the field (two summer internships during college and a 6 month stint at a [failing] startup).

    My first internship was for a large scholastic database service (research, articles, books). The company was around 10,000 employees and we were supporting 15+ yo legacy code. The day to day was slow paced, and often felt like people just didn't give a shit about the product. Expectations from management were low. I can't remember ever seeing anyone working past 5pm.

    My second internship was with an app development group (mostly contract work for large companies although we did have a couple in house apps). This was a small group of ~10 devs and designers. Everyone had a hand in what we were building and we had fun, but it was never super stressful and people weren't really working more than 40-45 hr/week (unless there was some [rare] urgent deadline for a client contract that we had gotten behind on). This was a fun summer and I learned a lot of new languages, but generally what we were building didn't require a whole lot of problem solving or crafting new solutions. It felt like we were just building the same app in a slightly different way for each client.

    Third experience was full time (post-undergrad) at a startup of ~120. Things here were super fast paced and super different than my first two experiences. Our product felt genuinely cutting edge and everyone wanted to help get this thing off the ground. However, with that came a lot of people willingly working 60+ hr/week just because they wanted to. And this seemed to be the company culture. We only ever talked about the product. We joked about deadlines and how X and Y had worked all weekend (often pulling all nighters) to fix this bug before some [seemingly arbitrary management-defined] deadline. Everyone seemed genuinely committed to the company's success and was willing to sacrifice a lot for these deadlines. I never heard of anyone being compensated for their overtime.

    So now I'm looking for work again and I'm looking for something with [normal?] people who don't enjoy working 45+hr/week and not seeing their family. I also want to be working on something cutting edge or challenging that pushes me to grow as an engineer and gives me the opportunity to learn a lot via solving new problems alongside experienced engineers.

    Anyone have any advice for how to navigate the job search and find a job that is interesting and challenging while also encouraging a healthy work/life balance? Or am I being unrealistic? Do I have to sacrifice one for the other?

    For reference: my first internship and full time gig were both in the greater Boston area. Second internship was in Grand Rapids, MI. I'm moving to Denver in a month and looking for a gig out there now.

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    Too early for PTO? Just joined/Unlimited PTO here's

    Posted: 15 Jun 2018 12:34 PM PDT

    Just joined at a tech company (late may) with unlimited PTO, pretty big company

    Planning on doing 2 weeks in late July

    Is that frowned upon? I know my manager won't say "no" but does it look bad?

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    22 year old drop out curious about job market in Canada , Vancouver

    Posted: 15 Jun 2018 02:16 PM PDT

    Hello

    I know that the majority of this subreddit speaks on behalf of the U.S career field and was wondering what the job market in terms of pay or supply is like in Canada specifically Vancouver?

    I'm currently studying javascript on my own and am looking to enroll for a computer science degree this September. So I'm very new and really shouldn't be worried about the job market as I don't even have the qualification for one , but I thought it wouldn't hurt to be curious as to what the current job market is like and will be like to get a software developer in Vancouver?

    Thank you in advance.

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    Is knowledge of the SAP tech stack valuable?

    Posted: 15 Jun 2018 03:38 PM PDT

    This summer I'm likely going to be using the SAP stack a lot. Are these tools that are valuable for future endeavors? My goal is to be a software engineer by the traditional definition, or get into finance at an investment bank. I'm not so sure this experience is a resume boost if that is the case.

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    What's the best way to land a gig these days?

    Posted: 15 Jun 2018 11:07 AM PDT

    I've been working at my current company for the past 4 and a half years so I am a little out of the loop about what the best way to go about finding a new job is these days.

    I used to apply through sites like Indeed and Craigslist. I have enough experience that recruiters hit me up on an every other day basis on Linkedin but I rather not deal with them and apply to jobs directly (couple annoying past experiences).

    Has there been any innovations in finding tech jobs? Like are there any aggregator sites I should know about that pool all job listings in one place, etc?

    P.S. I am a front end web developer if that matters...

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    Accepted a position but want to start four weeks after accepting the offer -- recruiter says this is unreasonable.

    Posted: 15 Jun 2018 03:23 AM PDT

    So this isn't my first software engineering position, but in the past I've always given my employer two weeks and then started the new job the next week. I've been with my current employer for over a couple of years and am a critical part of my team. I wanted to give them an extra week before I left (i.e., three weeks notice) and then take a week off for a break and because my lease is up and I want to take it as an opportunity to move closer to my new job.

    Yesterday I received an email with a start date two weeks from Monday and was confused as the recruiter (this is a third party recruiter) and I never talked about a start date. I spoke with him and told him that I wanted to start four weeks from now and he said this is unreasonable; he's been in this business for 15 years and that I'm asking for too much; give my employer two weeks and take a week off. I was pissed off because I should be the one determining this. The new job very much wanted me to join; they were very excited and spent time explicitly convincing me to join. So what if I want a couple of extra weeks?

    The recruiter is now telling me all parties are confused (because I reached out to the employer directly with this request) and they just want to know my start date. Something tells me the recruiter, without asking me, told them a start date and is now trying to cover his ass.

    Is four weeks "unreasonable"? I'm starting to feel like if it is, I can just walk away from this offer. I had three potential interviews lined up next week before accepting.

    Update:

    The recruiter is avoiding questions, but I emailed my new office and they had no problem with the start date. Shocker to many of you, but I'm sure the recruiter was lying / had ulterior motives.

    Thanks all.

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    Looks like I'm getting offered a Job, what now?

    Posted: 15 Jun 2018 02:22 PM PDT

    I am two months till graduation and I interviewed for a position with a small company. The interview went well, people seem friendly, owner seems like a nice guy and to boot he owns the company next door. What I didn't know is that I was going to be whiteboarded immediately. Basically, they rolled three interviews into one.

    First interview with "HR, recruiter" went well, exchanged pleasantries and whatnot.

    Then the lead dev came in. He absolutely ripped me a new one. These were questions that I had the answer to but since he was using a lot of shop talk, I froze up and really couldn't answer his questions effectively.

    After I stumbled over the technical interview, the lead dev said "nice meeting you" and left. I knew pretty much that I didn't get this one. But I had one more interview to go. The owner of the company came in and started talking to me for about 30 mins. I thought to myself that this was a waste of time because the minute he goes and asks the lead dev, he will laugh at the prospect.

    He asks how he thinks my interview went and I was honest with him:

    Owner: "How did you you think you did?"

    Me: "I'm gonna be honest; not that well. I did not prepare sufficiently for a whiteboard, and I could have done a lot better."

    We start talking about the company and how he got started and everything and eventually he tells me a little about how he is starting this company and would like people to stay on his team for years. Classic loyalty stuff. One thing that he does say is that since its a start up that He can't pay someone the top range of salary and the figure that he stated was pretty low. ($40,000/year) about 10k less then mid tier in my area. He did say this kind of in passing so I don't know what the offer would be.

    A month later I get a call from HR lady saying that she was wondering at what time I could start, would I be available during school at least for part time. I told her that I do have some events coming up a little after i graduate and I am willing to do part time to get my feet wet before I go full time come August.

    TL:DR - bad interview (imo) and got hint at offer anyway a month later.

    My question is related to the offer. I have never had a job where I have never needed to negotiate an offer. If the offer is given, and the value is $40,000/year that seems pretty ridiculous where avg is around 55k entry level (glassdoor). Should I counter?

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    Engineering/CS Projects

    Posted: 15 Jun 2018 11:12 AM PDT

    Does a project have to be something that has never been made or done before in order to be relevant to employers?

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    Have 15 years in IT and Software Develop, but having troubles finding remote gigs, suggestions?

    Posted: 15 Jun 2018 04:01 PM PDT

    I want to move to small rural town, but there is obviously no tech jobs there. I've been trying to land a remote gig, but haven't had much luck.

    • Biggest issues, is a lot of remove gigs are low balling on Salary. I got a few remote job offers, but they are all ridiculously when it comes to pay. Like as in 20 or 30% of my current pay without benefits or health care or retirement plans. One was offering $12 an hour (for a senior software development role). I'd take a pay cut for remote work, but some of these offers are almost insulting.

    • Another issue, is a lot of these companies seem sketchy. In one case, I'm pretty sure this guys company was developing straight up malware (they called it "covert user experience and data tracking"). Another business was based on "automated robo marketing", my job, I was told, would be to develop applications to automatically create profiles and post "engaging content" to various sites.

    • If they aren't straight up sketch, a lot of them seem like they are startups on verge of failing or very unstable business models.

    • Or, they seems like scams. One guy (with very foreign ascent) "required" a small $20 application processing fee. Another guy was telling me how I could earn money but recruiting more consultants and said those consultants made money by recruiting other consultants.

    • Or they are very temporary short term jobs. Like 2 weeks of work.

    Any suggestions on what fields or companies to look for ? Seems like there is a huge amount of garage clogging up "remote work" sites.

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    Developer Job Offer

    Posted: 15 Jun 2018 01:42 PM PDT

    I was recently offered a position at a company as a C#/ .NET Developer, and I am pretty stoked to start it. I very much enjoyed the people I met with for the interview, and look forward to starting in a few weeks.

    I liked both the owner and the CTO, they're good, knowledgeable people. I like to think they saw potential and ability in me, otherwise they probably wouldn't have given the ok to let me report to them.

    Ever since I got the offer I've been thinking to myself to not fuck up and not come off as a clueless idiot, considering that I've been pretty stoked to get the job. I think I have ability. I've worked with C# for a bit and look forward to put my skills to use.

    I say all that because my question is, how do you deal with imposter syndrome creeping up on you?

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    CTCI - Behavorial parts

    Posted: 15 Jun 2018 01:23 PM PDT

    So in the book, it says to make a graph to fill in to know each of your projects based on:

    Challenges

    Mistakes/Failures

    Enjoyed

    Leadership

    Conflicts

    What'd you do differently

    My main question is on conflicts and leadership. If these are personal projects, how would I answer leadership and conflicts? I'm trying to interpret conflict as to why I used a certain language versus another or something but honestly, I just used whatever I felt like... And also what kind of information would I put for leadership? I'm not really leading anything if it's a personal project that only I worked on.

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    Webmaster VS Web Dev

    Posted: 15 Jun 2018 07:10 PM PDT

    What's the difference between a webmaster and a web developer?

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    When am I “ready” to put myself out there for jobs?

    Posted: 15 Jun 2018 03:20 PM PDT

    I'm a teacher currently, and applying for teaching jobs seems entirely different than anywhere else. That being said, I'm unhappy with the teaching world, and I'm looking to get into a cs career. I'm self-teaching using udemy, codeacademy, etc. My big question is:

    How will I know when I'm ready? What do I do when I am ready?

    Also, I'm not in a major city (I'm in a major city for West Virginia, but that's not saying anything). Relocation is not really an option, is this a problem? Should I continue to pursue this? I'm loving this so far, it's enjoying learning and putting stuff into practice.

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    Thoughts about putting a project I completed using an online tutorial series in my projects sections?

    Posted: 15 Jun 2018 06:54 PM PDT

    I'm working on my resume for applying for internships for next year, and I was not sure if I should put a project on there that I completed using a youtube series that was a tutorial for creating the project. I did not copy the code exactly, and I understand everything that I used to implement in the project, but at the time I just used the tutorial as a learning experience to help guide me through it. Would it be bad to list it on a resume?

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    Is it hard to transition between specialties? Which ones are the hardest to switch out of?

    Posted: 15 Jun 2018 06:47 PM PDT

    By specialties I mean front end, back end, full stack, mobile, etc.

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    How important are Computer Networks and Operating Systems courses (or subjects)?

    Posted: 15 Jun 2018 12:26 PM PDT

    Unfortunately, I could not take these course during my undergraduate studies. I want to take them when I am doing masters. However, I took online courses and skimmed through the textbooks for these courses. I don't feel what I have done is not enough.

    Especially computer networks seems to get really deep. I don't know how important it is to have an in-depth and comprehensive knowledge of these topics for someone who wants to be a software engineer. I am sure it is important if the job is specifically related to these two topics but just how important they are in general? How much should one know? Did you just study to pass these courses or did you try to learn as much as you can and go as deep as you can?

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    Codes of conduct -- is do no evil still a thing?

    Posted: 15 Jun 2018 09:25 AM PDT

    So I work in a do no harm environment and wanted to see if other firms have adopted the do no evil policy or if they have rolled them back in favor of profits.

    What have you seen?

    PS

    I'm a huge Techstars fan and the code of conduct that they have is really good https://www.techstars.com/code-of-conduct/# If your firm does not match these criteria or have one, I'd suggest you leverage this as a guide.

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    Current Computer Science Intern Question

    Posted: 15 Jun 2018 11:41 AM PDT

    Hello,

    I am currently working full time at a computer science company developing websites using frameworks like Struts, Liferay, and Hybris. (I have been using Struts Backend and Database Changes for the most part) I am fortunate to earn this internship as young as I have since I started when I was a Junior in high school doing QA. However, I have since been able to start doing actual programming for the company and for the client.

    With this "Promotion" came a raise to $12/hr. Now, I am grateful that I have this internship and this opportunity to get this experience (with pay), however I am doing the work of actual developers.

    Now I understand that I don't have a degree, and I probably take way longer to do some tasks, and maybe not the most efficiently.(Even though we do code reviews) However, I am curious if the job I'm doing warrants a higher pay and if I should bother asking, or if I should just keep my current position and get as much experience as I can.

    Any help is much appreciated.

    Edit:

    TL;DR

    I have a programming internship developing projects for clients for $12/hr. Is it worth me asking for a raise, or should I just be fortunate for having an internship this young. (Starting college in fall)

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    Quickest way to becoming a PM when you're currently an engineer

    Posted: 15 Jun 2018 05:38 PM PDT

    Context: new CS grad from target school

    I don't really like being a software engineer. I've had internships at large companies, startups, mid-size. I just don't like how isolating the work is and it doesn't match my personality. I'm ok at it and could probably do it but I really want to be a PM. I love the whole product development phase, going from an idea, to designs, to code and I want to be involved in all of it. I paid my way through college by doing freelance UI/UX work so I have that skillset as well. I know most PM's start out as engineers then get an MBA or transition internally, but I think with my experience I'd be prepared to handle the role. The thing is there's barely any new grad PM jobs and they all go to the kids who double-majored in Business and Computer Science, have a 4.0, and previously interned at Goldman/McKinsey.

    Would it be easier to just go the engineer route and work up to the position or keep applying hoping a company will take a chance on me?

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    What does it take to succeed in a CS career? Any advice welcomed

    Posted: 15 Jun 2018 11:34 AM PDT

    Hello, so I'm a sophomore at a community college right now with plans to transfer to a university to get a Bachelor in Computer Science.

    I just would like to know if there is anything outside of the courses I'm takin that I can do to prepare for a job/career in CS. On that note currently this coming semester I will be learning object oriented programming ( learning C++ currently). I've dabbed in it a little and it's starting to get a little difficult. I'm very new to programming and don't know much so I'm just looking for some advice and direction from those more experienced than me.

    I'm also planning to learn python and java during my breaks. Is that a good idea? Or should I just focus on fully understanding C++?

    And I don't really have a specific job in mind rn either. I just know I want a CS degree because it's the only degree that I have interest in( other than art).

    So what does it take to succeed in this field? I'd love to hear some your thoughts.

    And thanks for your time and any advice or suggestions you guys might have.

    Have a chill day.

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    crs group?

    Posted: 15 Jun 2018 01:11 PM PDT

    Hello, have you guys ever heard of this? I got an email from somebody who works there and they said they will train me and if I get a better job I can quit anytime. I will also be in a contract but it will be no big deal if I break it. It seems like a big scam.

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