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    DEAR VALUED CONTRIBUTORS -- FRIDAY RANT THREAD FOR February 09, 2018

    Posted: 08 Feb 2018 11:08 PM PST

    AND NOW FOR SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

    CAN'T STOP WON'T STOP DON'T STOP CODING!

    THIS IS THE RANT THREAD. IT IS FOR RANTS.

    CAPS LOCK ON, DOWNVOTES OFF, FEEL FREE TO BREAK RULE 2 IF SOMEONE LIKES SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T BUT IF YOU POST SOME RACIST/HOMOPHOBIC/SEXIST BULLSHIT IT'LL BE GONE FASTER THAN A SPEEDING TRACER.

    (RANTING BEGINS AT MIDNIGHT EVERY FRIDAY, BEST COAST TIME. PREVIOUS FRIDAY RANT THREADS CAN BE FOUND HERE.)

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    Daily Chat Thread - February 09, 2018

    Posted: 08 Feb 2018 11:08 PM PST

    Please use this thread to chat, have casual discussions, and ask casual questions. Moderation will be light, but don't be a jerk.

    This thread is posted every day at midnight PST. Previous Daily Chat Threads can be found here.

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    Does it annoy you when hiring managers claim that they can't find enough engineers?

    Posted: 09 Feb 2018 11:25 AM PST

    I have a job. But, to me, it still grates on me and sounds like whining. It always feels like the hiring manager has champagne tastes but only a beer budget. He blames the tight job market and the supposed horde of job applicant liars.

    http://danluu.com/hiring-lemons/

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    Will accepting a non "Software Engineer" job prevent me from moving to software development later on?

    Posted: 09 Feb 2018 06:14 AM PST

    I have an offer from Epic for their Technical Support role that I'd be interested in accepting. I'm worried that this position will be looked down upon by future employers since it's not development work and it'll be difficult to move into development later. I have a STEM degree with a CS minor, which also might make future employers hesitant to hire me.

    Anyone here have experience transitioning from Technical Support to Software Engineer?

    Edit: I am referring to Epic Systems in Madison, WI. I have not yet graduated and am looking for a job starting May/June.

    When talking with them they indicated that there is opportunity to do coding (mostly bug fixes & small projects), but that it is rather difficult to transition internally from technical support to software engineer. Another concern specific to Epic is that their software is written in M-code so I won't be bringing over any relevant language skills.

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    1 Week of Job Postings: Junior - Intermediate - Senior

    Posted: 09 Feb 2018 04:42 PM PST

    My company is expanding (we are about ~15 devs right now), we happen to be hiring for various roles at all levels: junior, intermediate, and senior.

    We are a small, growing company. Have good revenue stream, we are still young at 4 years and we are not some well known company name, but trying to be more active in the local tech scene.

    We have had the job posting out for 1 week now, here are some observation

    Junior

    • Posted on company website & Indeed
    • Looking 1+ years experience, internship experience absolutely counts. We simply not looking for somebody who only been studying but never actually do anything in the real world. (Note: We are in Canada, University of Waterloo graduates would have almost 2 years of work experience under their belt by the time their graduate. University of Toronto grads would have 16 months of PEY)
    • On average ~40-50 applications a day
    • ~20-30% applications are from people who are not even in the country (prospective immigrants trying to get a job to boost their chances on getting immigration status?)
    • ~80-90% (including the above) applications are nowhere near to what we are looking for. Either they have absolutely 0 experience, or we are looking for Java and they only been to one of those web dev bootcamp, etc
    • Further screening (resumes, skills, etc - some people really do write poor resumes), we end up with about 3-5% of the total applicants for the week that go to first initial screening
    • 50% of those already did initial phone interview are completely inept and mismatched to what their resume sounds like.

    Intermediate

    • Posted on company website, Indeed, and LinkedIn
    • Roughly 3-5 years of experience (depending on what they've been doing, preferably closer to 5, but if they have done some interesting things after 3 years, we'll put them in, of course not hard numbers and we are flexible)
    • Ended the week with 12 applications (most coming from website/Indeed)
    • ~30% applicants are duplicate from the Junior postings, people who really are nowhere near what we are looking for even for Junior
    • ~20% applicants are people who should probably apply for the Junior role instead (we'll consider them as part of the Junior pool)
    • ~20% applicants who are nowhere near what we are looking for, 0 experience in the tech stack we are working with

    Senior

    • Posted on company website, Indeed, Linkedin, and we use external recruiter
    • Roughly 7-10+ experience preferred
    • 1 applicant from website/indeed, 0 applicant from LinkedIn, and 2 from external recruiters
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    Team lead negativity is making me hate my job

    Posted: 09 Feb 2018 01:27 PM PST

    I've been working as a software engineer for a large defense contractor for about 9 months now. I was really excited for the position, they hired me straight out of school, and I got put in a department that does small projects (4-6 devs, 1 lead per team). Unfortunately now I'm starting to hate my job.

    The teams leads are all extremely talented, usually with 10+ years experience and taking the bulk of most tickets in any project, but they're all negative. Throughout the day I'll be called to their desk so that can make me explain code I've committed, and then interrupt me in the middle of my explanation, all with an annoyed expression on their face. Usually going something like this:

    "Why are you doing this here?"

    "Well, I thought it would be best to create a factory-"

    "sigh No, you should do it this way with [insert their favorite pattern, framework tool, etc here]"

    This interaction makes me feel like I have to think how they think, and code how they code to make them happy. Which is making me second guess every decision I make. Am I entitled for thinking that they should be open to different methods of solving issues? I understand that I still have much to learn as a recent grad, but the lack of empathy from my lead makes me not enjoy my job anymore.

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    I'm a convicted felon with drug distribution charges.... will I ever get a job or am I fucked?

    Posted: 09 Feb 2018 04:25 PM PST

    So a little background about myself, I'm 26 years old and I recently served an 18 month sentence for class a distribution. Before you jump to conclusions and assume I'm some dirt bag drug dealer please give me a chance to explain myself. I've made a lot of mistakes in life, I became addicted to opiates and sold drugs to support my habit. Got busted and served some time but I'm trying to turn my life around.... I've always been interested in computers since I was a teenager. I attended ITT Tech for one semester back in 09 but drug addiction led me down a bad path and I dropped out, currently I work as a carpenter for my family's business. Although I've struggled with drug addiction on and off my whole life during periods of sobriety I've been able to teach myself some basic codeing skills. I have the ability to build a basic website, html, CSS, and some JavaScript. I'm currently enrolled in a micromasters java program through edX that's made up of 5 courses. My dream is to one day have the skills to develop mobile applications but here's my question to you all..... Will I ever be able to get a job as a programmer with a felony drug charge on my record? Am I wasteing my time trying to learn to code? Should I just stick to my day job as a carpenter? (I'm actually a really good carpenter and I'm paid decent). Is my past always gunna come back to haunt me? I hear all the time story's about regular guys like myself who taught them self to code and landed a sweet job with a nice salary and benifits. I'm ok with being a carpenter for the rest of my life but there's times were I dream of having an office job, wearing a tie to work, having a 401k and good health insurance. I just want the American dream I guess..... My thoughts are maybe if I can become skilled (more skilled then your average programmer) that maybe an employer would overlook my criminal past?

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    Ways to improve quick thinking?

    Posted: 09 Feb 2018 02:06 PM PST

    So I'm feeling like a complete idiot cause I failed Amazon's OA1...

    I ran out of time on both sections. The first debug section I took too long on a java syntax error, but still had some trouble with one of the other problems. I got either 4/7 or 5/7. The second part I made it a little less than 3/4 of the way through.

    This is really really messing with me because everyone I talk/talked to about the OA1 says something like "Yeah you won't have any trouble. It's just to make sure you're not mentally handicapped."

    For whatever reason, I've always been a slow test taker and just generally perform way better (even relative to classmates) on non-time-stressed assignments. This may be solely a product of how hard/much I work on the assignments, but nonetheless I really want to fix this speed problem of mine.

    Is there any way to improve the speed at which you think about these problems? I'm nearly always slower than my peers when facing a new task. In my experience I only ever get fast at completing things when I have done the task a considerable amount. This also applies pretty generally about my life. Not really sure what's wrong with me. I seriously think there's some problem with how I process information.

    I love CS and don't want to be held back by this anymore.

    P.S. I'm not talking about test-taking strategies (i.e. skipping what you're having trouble with and returning later). I want a way to just become a faster thinker. It's also worth noting that the difficulty of OA1 was not in any way the issue, just the time pressure.

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    Got an offer from a tiny (7 man) company. Any risks or concerns I should be worried about considering it's that small?

    Posted: 09 Feb 2018 06:20 AM PST

    The company has been around for 18 years and they make software for banks that is custom tailored for them. Just seems strange that it's only 7 people and not a start up anything I should worry about from a company that small?

    edit: Another thing I noticed about smaller companies is that their benefits are usually shit compared to bigger companies and have annoying rules with vacation time. Would I be correct in saying this?

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    TripAdvisor vs IBM Extreme Blue internship

    Posted: 09 Feb 2018 01:11 PM PST

    I'm in my final year of software engineering and have two major offers to consider for an internship.

    I'm really confused between going to TripAdvisor or to IBM (in their extreme blue program).

    I'd just like to know from some of you who've worked either of those places, about the kind of work, scope of career growth, and personal development that you got out of it.

    Feel free to ask me any questions.

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    Transitioning from competitive programming to software development?

    Posted: 09 Feb 2018 02:16 PM PST

    Throwaway account so I'm not identified

    At the risk of sounding conceited, I am someone who has several competitive programming awards/achievements and I am at the point where I have spent years competitive programming and am easily capable of passing any technical interview as a result.

    But...I have spent those years doing nothing but competitive programming, so I have next to no experience with web or mobile development, or any type of "real" software development. The only skills I have are algorithms/data structures, Java and C++ (and a bit of Python).

    I can't help but feel that no company would want to hire me because I am incapable of doing any real software engineering, all I can do is solve programming contest problems and submit them to some online judge.

    I tried learning web development but it's just so overwhelming. There are a bunch of frameworks, tools, libraries and it all just makes my head spin. Whenever I see job descriptions for software engineers, they all require knowledge in 7-8 different libraries/tools in web development and it just amazes me that there are people out there who know all that.

    I also don't particularly enjoy web development as quite frankly, it seems like a lot of "plugging APIs together without any thinking". Yet, this is still difficult for me to do and takes a lot of time because I literally have to google something every 5 seconds, whenever I don't know how to do something trivial with HTML or CSS or Javascript.

    I just feel really lost and I can't help but think I wasted my time doing stupid programming contests when I could've been learning real skills. If I could I would trade my skills with some developer who is actually good at web development stuff in a heartbeat.

    I considered going into research but I don't think I am smart enough to do it, and I'm not sure if I would particularly enjoy it either.

    If you read through this, I guess my question is...what should I do?

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    Relocation bonus for entry level developer?

    Posted: 09 Feb 2018 06:01 PM PST

    I'm currently searching for my first job as a frontend/backend/full-stack web developer. I live in the suburbs of Philadelphia but am interested in moving to a different state, not just because there are better job opportunities elsewhere but also because I just want to experience living somewhere else.

    I kinda went completely broke while learning to develop software and building up my portfolio, so I'm worried about the actual logistics of taking a job requiring relocation. I can barely afford to eat, have no car, no income, etc right now, there is no way I could afford to relocate for a job until after I get a job and have been getting paid for a couple months - which is obviously a bit of a catch-22.

    I really don't know how things work at normal 'white collar' jobs, so I'm wondering what the chances are of finding a company willing to provide relocation assistance to an entry-level developer. I would be happy to exchange my first few months pay for an up-front sum to be used for relocation if that were somehow possible, I would try anything that might work.

    Can anyone with more knowledge of how these things work tell me what my options are, and how likely I'll be able to find a company that is willing to accommodate me? I think I am a pretty strong candidate for an entry-level developer(I should've been applying for jobs a year ago honestly) so hopefully that will help with finding a company that is willing to put in some extra effort to get me as an employee. Am I going to have to find a job locally first, just to save up enough money so I can move to a new city and work there? If I can manage to save up/borrow a few thousand dollars somehow will that be enough for me to relocate possibly across the country for a new job(assuming I have absolutely nothing to start with - no car or place to stay, but am also willing to live very frugally for a few months while I get caught up financially)?

    P.S: If anyone has some more general advice for a self taught developer with no experience outside of a couple reasonably big/high-quality personal projects and a few small freelance jobs, who is looking for a first job anywhere in the US, I'd really appreciate hearing your suggestions!

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    Anyone using Facebook's Workplace at work?

    Posted: 09 Feb 2018 08:12 AM PST

    I'm not really sure if this fits this sub, but I wasn't sure where else to ask about it.

    My team recently switched over from slack (RIP) to Facebook's workplace app. Does anyone else use it? I feel like its worse in almost every way. I get that Facebook was just trying to make it familiar, but it doesn't really seem like the same productivity is there as with slack.

    Anyone using have some tips or a workflow with it?

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    Afraid to apply to dream company internship?

    Posted: 09 Feb 2018 05:12 PM PST

    I hear companies like facebook and google have 1 year cooldowns with internship applications. I have a career fair this spring and next fall. I'm worried that applying for a position this spring will cause me not to be able to apply again in the fall due to the 1 year rule. Is there any way around this? Is this worth worrying about?

    This is the list of companies going to my next career fair.

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    I currently only have an Associate's in Music and Technology and want to go back for a CS degree. Problem is my dad is trying to convince me not to.

    Posted: 09 Feb 2018 10:15 AM PST

    My passion was music so I figured I should follow that in college. Well now I can't find any jobs besides internships at studios that I have to pay $900 for training for a minimum wage job that involves janitorial work. I've been teaching myself programming for awhile and have developed a huge interest in it. I've been teaching myself using this https://github.com/ossu/computer-science self study curriculum. I have also been learning C++ using various books and resources. (I'm very interested in the audio side of programming which uses C++) When I tell my dad I want to go back for a CS degree because I've heard how difficult it can be to get a job without one, he tells me just keep self studying. He said some companies will care but if I have the skills it doesn't matter. The thing is I'm currently 23. I don't want to be 30 without a bachelor's. I currently only have 10k in savings but thankfully no debt. My dad paid for my music degree but is not willing to help with the CS degree. Bootcamp isn't really an option because web development doesn't interest me, and it seems to be the focus of most of them. My dad also keeps telling me I won't know any programming after I graduate unless I do it on my own, which I'm already aware of. I just want to be able to move out finally, and to have that degree behind me. My greatest fear is self studying my ass off for two years and then applying for jobs where I'll get thrown out immediately due to my lack of CS degree.

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    Company wants to “bring me on board” as a developer, but it could be between 3-7 weeks... Is there anything I can do to make sure they don’t make me wait and then back out?

    Posted: 09 Feb 2018 12:46 PM PST

    So here is the situation:

    • I interviewed with a company that I really like, does pretty interesting work, and I really like the guy who would be my boss (laidback/nice).

    • After two weeks I get a call saying that they are finishing a major contract and then renewing with that client, but when that was done they would want to "bring me on board" as a developer.

    • They said that it could be as soon as 3 weeks or as late as the end of March (about 7 weeks).

    I would really like to work for the company and wouldn't mind waiting. But I'm just worried that I'll wait two months for that job and then they'll back out or decide they aren't hiring anymore and I'll still be without a job.

    Is it absurd to ask for some sort of guarantee or something from them to make sure I don't get left hanging? Does that exist?

    Thanks in advance.

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    Working with unenthusiastic and bitter looking devs

    Posted: 09 Feb 2018 04:29 PM PST

    Im currently working at my first web agency gig and there are a couple of devs in my department who just seem sick of work. They look angry all the time, they have a negative/passive aggressive response to everything, and they're genrally not very welcoming to others. Sometimes I would rather unsuccessfully search hours for something I need than asking those guys for help.

    It seems that all senior devs at my job behave this way so im wondering, is this the type of behavior that all devs reach at some point? And are these type of employees pretty common in this industry?

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    Is it normal for companies to ask you for your availability and then a few hours (or a day later) send you a rejection?

    Posted: 09 Feb 2018 07:56 AM PST

    I have a friend and here is what happened to him:

    • Last year he applied for an internship at a big company, cleared the interview, got a call asking him when he can join. Then the next day he received a rejection.

    • This year he applied to a company X, scheduled an interview, the next day got a rejection without even appearing for an interview.

    • He applied to another company Y, had three interviews. Then got an email asking for his availability for another interview. Just an hour later he got a rejection.

    Now I didn't question him about whether he inquired about the reason or not because I would feel weird asking. All of the companies are famous companies (not the big 4 though).

    Is this common? Why would this happen, not once, not twice, but three times!

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    Getting a job after 4 years of no work? Planning on doing coding bootcamps & self study

    Posted: 08 Feb 2018 11:30 PM PST

    Hi there,

    I'm in a dire situation and I'm looking for some advice:

    I graduated college in 2013 in pure mathematics, and I had plans on going into academia. I enrolled in a math phd program but I quit after 1 year due to depression (exacerbated by family problems). I became completely withdrawn and stopped talking to anyone. I also became addicted to video games (playing 10+hrs/day) as a way to cope with my depression. Due to a personal windfall I didn't have to worry about expenses in the past 4 years out of school (also helps that I live in a LCOL), and I probably don't need a job for the next 2 years.

    However, I do want to start working and build a career/social life. I've quit video games cold turkey and I'm determined to get my life in order. I'm especially interested in data science and I'm planning on doing udacity's machine learning nanodegrees and maybe even a data science bootcamp.

    I have a couple of questions:

    1) How do I explain my unemployment gap of 4 years (2014-2018) to my future employers? Wouldn't they be suspicious that I did nothing useful for 4 years and recently started studying data science for the last 1 year (2018-2019)?

    2) I haven't been in contact with anyone, not even friends or family (my family is abusive, so I had to cut contact with them completely. With my friends, I couldn't bear seeing them progress in life while I was drowning in depression. I was too ashamed to reach out for help and I deactivated my facebook account. I feel it would be awkward for me to contact them after 4+ years of silence). I also haven't talked to my professors in 4+ years. Basically, I have no references, or a social network. Will I be able to get references from coding/data science bootcamps? How will I be able to apply for a job with no references?

    I'd appreciate any advice, I'm in a really bad spot careerwise but I want to enter the workforce and eventually live a fulfilling life.

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    CS Career Advice

    Posted: 09 Feb 2018 07:38 PM PST

    I'd like some advice on a few things:

    I am 24 and a degreeless programmer. I have been trying my best to find a job anywhere in a programming related field, but I feel my lack of a bachelor's is holding me back. I was wondering what I should "get under my belt" in order to become a competitive person in the hiring process? And if I need education, what would be a good degree alternative? I was looking at Lambda School, but it seems very new.

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    Bachelor of Science in CS vs Master of Arts in CS - For Second degree student

    Posted: 09 Feb 2018 07:12 PM PST

    As a second degree student, which would be the better option? Would it be better to have a masters if I already have a undergraduate degree in an unrelated field?

    From what I understand, the classes are basically the same except that Masters students having a stricter grading standard and cost 2k more per semester.

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    What is the "magnum opus" of your career?

    Posted: 09 Feb 2018 03:18 PM PST

    For those who are not familiar with the term, magnum opus usually refers to the best work of an artist, writer.. or in this case programmer.

    One of the most talented programmers on our team announced his retirement, and it had me thinking about the years of experience he has on so many projects. Which got me thinking what a programmer's best work is in their 'prime'..

    Michelangelo has The Creation of Adam. Leonardo da Vinci painted the Mona Lisa. I have my precious CRUD app.

    -What was your most significant project you worked on in your career?

    -How long have you been in the industry?

    -Was it for work, school, or personal?

    -Why do you consider it your best work?

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    Entry level opportunities??

    Posted: 09 Feb 2018 07:02 PM PST

    I asked this question from r/computerscience but i figured it would be much better off in this subreddit what do you guys think? Anyways here it is,

    I've made it this far in my education where I'm finally good at math (calculus+), almost finished with my GED requirements, and transferring soon. I would like to seek out if there are any entry level opportunities i should be aware of. I am currently in my community college finishing up my last semester and i know there are some type of "entry level jobs" for the computer science field on craigslist or on the google search engine but most of them require employers to have their BA degree already. I do have only a couple of programs i made with java and C++ that i can showcase but i'm skeptical if my silly programs mean anything in the real world (resume/portfolio stuff). should i still persist? More importantly can someone enlighten me on how I can get started with joining the working environment for programmers? I dont care if these opportunities pay or not (i am comfortable with volunteering positions) i just feel like i need to start getting more involved in my career instead of just taking courses and making programs. thanks a ton for the support u guys have on this subreddit :)

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    MS/BS

    Posted: 09 Feb 2018 01:01 PM PST

    Hey all. So I have the standard, 34 years old, same job for 14 Years, looking to go back and do something I'm passionate about story.

    My question is going back now does it make sense to go for the MS over the BS. What kind of position does that put me into in the workforce? Would I still be applying for entry level jobs with just the one up on BS applicants? Invite trying to figure out my path going forward and am obviously weighing the options.

    I currently have a BA and am looking to move myself into the software development field. Thank you kindly for your time.

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    What are some great HQs that have great view and close to nature/ocean?

    Posted: 09 Feb 2018 10:03 AM PST

    Advice on coming back into school after a big break, ISU Information Systems major. Will I be lost?

    Posted: 09 Feb 2018 06:44 PM PST

    Hi everyone.

    I just got out of the military and I will be heading back to school. Its been about 6 years or so since I was in school doing anything computer related. Previously I did a bit of programming (C++ and I enjoyed it) and then some networking (and I did not really enjoy it). Not long after I started to lose interest because it started off as a fun hobby and when I interviewed at places I ran into two things: 1. I did not like the atmosphere or the people I worked with (a lot of young odd guys or older people that were acted better than everyone else, a lot of clicks. I know its all dependent on the job but I always felt like I couldnt get away from the person trying to show me his unreal mod hes been working on for years and being better than me because I didnt do that as well). 2. A lot of entry positions that required 40 years experience.

    If you have not noticed I am not really excited about going back into the degree plan. But when I applied to Illinois State University they said I cannot do Business Information Systems major (I was planning on just taking the business classes hoping I would already have the IS side done) but instead I can do the Information Systems major. And because I have too many credits they wouldnt let me do any other major or different classes. At this point of taking so long in school and bouncing around so many places from the military I just want a degree. I can find jobs afterwards, but I just need a degree. I dont mind putting the work into it, but will I be completely lost coming back to study the field after so long? If they said only X amount of the classes were taken and I have to just jump back into a 300 or 400 level class will it be so much different that Ill be underwater?

    TLDR Im sorry for the wall of text, and possibly being a little mean in the first paragraph. Im just worried I might be out of touch with the industry jumping back into school to finish a degree in a program I slowly lost interest in years ago.

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    PEGA Development career trajectory question

    Posted: 09 Feb 2018 08:54 AM PST

    Hi all!

    I have an opportunity to become a Certified System Architect for PEGA and to become a PEGA developer at my current job. I studied CS and IT in college but after working as an analyst/engineer, I quickly realized that actual coding isn't something I particularly enjoy.

    Anyways, I'm going through PEGA training and doing some easy development tasks for my company. So far I really like it!

    What's the career trajectory for someone who is a PEGA developer? From my limited understanding, PEGA is predominantly used in India and by large corporations who want to cut down on coding costs by utilizing a business process management tool.

    Since it's such a niche product, if I become specialized in it, is it possible to demand a high salary and to become a consultant after several years? Do you think niche tools such as PEGA will grow in popularity over the years? Is the fact that this tool can only be used by multi dollar corporations a drawback or an advantage? Do you think that may change over the years?

    Thanks! Really appreciate your thoughts!

    tl;dr what is the future of PEGA and what will the demand be for PEGA developers?

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