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    When you build a thing of beauty for a client and they're too dumb to use it properly web developers

    November 29, 2017

    When you build a thing of beauty for a client and they're too dumb to use it properly web developers

    When you build a thing of beauty for a client and they're too dumb to use it properly

    Posted: 29 Nov 2017 06:34 AM PST

    I just need to vent. I just spent weeks building a thing of beauty for a client (mom and pop shop that sells fixtures), to replace their ancient, ugly, table-based layout HTML site. Modern design, CMS with custom templates to perfectly structure the data on their pages, automatic feeds pulling "suggested content" from multiple places, an extremely flexible home page with multiple "block" template layouts to choose from, the list goes on. Overall a nicely structured system to keep content separate from design, facilitate easy content updating and maintainability, and help enforce the overall design continuity of the site.

    I gave them a nice walk-through on how to use it all.

    And what do they do? They ignore all my nicely built and laid out templates, and use my catch-all WYSIWIG template block instead, and PASTE in all the old code from the old site. Table layouts and all, HTML 4 style attributes, <font> tags, everything. Facepalm.

    My first clue that this was going to go badly was when during the design phase they said they want to keep the look of the old site as much as possible. I took that to mean "keep the colour schemes". I was wrong.

    My second clue was when after the new design was approved, they changed their mind and asked me to replace the newly designed header area, with nice typography, clean understated logo, and modern looking navigation, with the "old" header, a GARISH single graphic with overdone drop shadows and 90's style 3d beveled edge look.

    My third clue was the constant fight of trying to explain to them that if they want a CMS site, their data needs to follow structured patterns. They can't have one product page laid out one way and then another one laid out an entirely different way... nor should they want that.

    /Rant

    Oh well... some people just can't see the light I guess (or trust someone else to lead them to it). My project manager and I are shaking our heads. It's a living.

    EDIT: Sheesh guys, let's remember it was a rant, not an exhaustive case study on a project that went wrong. Don't pass so much judgement with the assumption that you have all the details.

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    Just got hired for my first developer job! I will be negotiating salary soon and have no idea what to aim for

    Posted: 29 Nov 2017 10:44 AM PST

    I will be getting a call from the web dev firm soon to discuss when I can start and presumably my salary but I have no idea what an acceptable hourly wage is. I'll give some details about the job:

    • I'll be starting out part time since I have a little bit of time left in university
    • The firm has less than 50 employees
    • The firm is located where cost of living is quite low. The city I live in is very low cost of living, about $550-600/month for a one bedroom apartment, for example
    • The position is titled "Developer/Programmer"
    • I will be doing primarily front-end work, though it sounds like I'll be on track to work heavily with php/jquery in the near future.
    • The position is remote
    • I have a small portfolio and passed their programming and front-end coding tests

    With no industry experience and a small portfolio, what can I expect to make? Thank you in advance for your time.

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    Statistics + Tips: Up to 97% of images on popular websites like Reddit, CNN, and TechCrunch are inaccessible to the blind. Why and how you can be better.

    Posted: 29 Nov 2017 02:38 PM PST

    How to: Accept payments with Stripe in Symfony web apps

    Posted: 29 Nov 2017 12:53 PM PST

    Use of <abbr> question

    Posted: 29 Nov 2017 09:31 AM PST

    So we've all seen this:

    <abbr title="Individual Savings Account">ISA</abbr>

    But the thing about <abbr/> tags is that you only need to define them the first time they appear on the page. After that, this should be fine:

    <abbr>ISA</abbr>

    The reason for doing this is so that speech browsers read out "Eye Ess Aye", rather than trying to pronounce "ISA".

    But the thing is, ISA is one of those acronyms where we do pronounce it. So should I miss out the <abbr/> tags the second time the acronym appears in a page? Any speech browser users got a take on this?

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    Beginners guide to APIs

    Posted: 29 Nov 2017 01:05 PM PST

    I recently started messing around with HTML/CSS and some light JS after a decade away from code. I'd like to learn how to use APIs to enhance my projects. Is there a good beginner course/tutorial I can follow to get started?

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    how to get a client quickly!?

    Posted: 29 Nov 2017 03:39 AM PST

    i have been working as a freelance frontend for about ten years. i never actively looked for clients, my work usually comes from referrals. however right now all projects that were supposed to happen are delayed for whatever reasons and i had unforseen expenses leading to me getting a little desperate. on top, i moved to a country with notoriously weak industry and i don't know a lot of people yet. what are your strategies to get work?

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    Great video on what upgrades the new Firefox Quantum actually implements. Lots of parallelism

    Posted: 29 Nov 2017 06:32 AM PST

    Building a simple static page generator with Node.js

    Posted: 29 Nov 2017 08:37 AM PST

    Best way to make a clickable image?

    Posted: 29 Nov 2017 03:13 PM PST

    I have tried using the HTML input tag:

    <input type='image' class='button' onclick='doStuff()'>

    With the corresponding CSS:

    .button{ background-image:url(src.png); width:75px; height:75px; }

    But this prints out the word "Submit Query" and doesn't seem to let me size the element with CSS.

    I also tried making a clickable image instead:

    <img class='button' onclick='doStuff()'>

    with the CSS:

    .button{ content:url('src.png') width:75px; height:75px; }

    But this gave me problems also. I think I am just missing something fundamental about how to do this best. Help please!

    EDIT: It is important that I be able to define these buttons with CSS since I want to put many of them around the screen and don't want to have to style each of them individually.

    EDIT 2: Apologies if this isn't the right place to ask questions like this, but I've been all over w3schools and there doesn't seem to be a straightforward reason that I am experiencing the problems I am. And I didn't see "no noob questions" in the rules, at least not of the kind related to the best way to code something

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    Why aren't websockets more popular?

    Posted: 29 Nov 2017 08:44 AM PST

    My assumption would be that websockets would be blowing up in popularity recently. Real time communication between a web app and its server seems like it would be something that a good percentage of web apps would be looking to implement, being that we are almost to 2018. I got them working in a toy app about 15 months ago. It was a headache, but they worked. I wanted to be able to revisit them and have the headache part be reduced (or at least this is what I thought would be the case)

    My googling is suggesting that they aren't that popular, and the framework / library ecosystem is pretty bare. What am I missing? Don't we want real time communication in a lot of our applications? Is there an alternative? Are they still too hard to manage?

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    Any favorite "live chat" tools?

    Posted: 29 Nov 2017 02:19 PM PST

    I'm looking to add live chat / customer support onto my website and looking for recommendations of providers / software.

    I want it to be painless to use for my customers, and easy enough to configure and use for myself and others who will be answering any chat requests.

    I don't mind paying a small fee if I need to, but as a tiny business, low costs are good for me right now, so if there are small plans available, even better.

    I do use slack already for some notifications.

    I do not expect to have staff available 24/7 to respond, so a tool that can handle that would be great.

    Thanks for the recommendations!

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    Why is my div messing up my nav bar when the page shrinks?

    Posted: 29 Nov 2017 02:18 PM PST

    I'm currently rebuilding my layout but the "Sign In | Customer Service" & "Cart Button" are screwing up my NAV bar like this when I shrink the page?, I don't want this to occur!, like the MWS Logo I want the cart to shrink in size when the page shrinks but after shrinking to a certain point it messes up the NAV, can anyone please help me & explain why this happened?

    CodePen Link

    Note: I only had the colour green for the background to help visualize the div better.

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    r/webdev i need you

    Posted: 29 Nov 2017 02:17 PM PST

    Good evening everyone, I'm going to start a 6-month project to get my degree in Web-Dev.

    I'm looking for an idea to my project. I Know Python, Javascript ( Back & Front), i want the project to be Full Javascript ( maybe a little bit of Python if possible) with Database ? ( Mongo Db ? or if you have any other suggestions ).

    I'm also ready to learn a new dev language.

    I am waiting for your suggestions thank you infinitely.

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    [Feedback] - Portfolio Page

    Posted: 29 Nov 2017 02:04 PM PST

    Link to Page

    Hi all! I'm a mid-level developer that has dealt with back-end programming for a while and I've been trying to hone my front-end skills. I've used html templates in the past but I never tried a site from scratch. I'm doing the freeCodeCamp for the front-end design track and made this for the Portfolio page challenge. I would appreciate any feedback on design and if my CSS class / id usage is acceptable.

    Thanks!

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    RAM requirements for a developer's laptop

    Posted: 29 Nov 2017 01:53 PM PST

    Hi y'all, I'm a beginner / intermediate programmer and I am trying to decide between web development and Android development. I was reading the laptop requirements for an Android certificate programs when I noticed that they required their students to have laptops with 16 gb of RAM. Is this amount of memory necessary for web development as well? Asking because I bought a laptop with non-upgradeable memory and I have 8 gigs.

    submitted by /u/clucifer
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    3 simple steps to help you understand adding Redux in your React app

    Posted: 28 Nov 2017 08:56 PM PST

    Tutorial: How to Organize Your Website Using Boostrap 4 Grid System. Feedback Appreciated!

    Posted: 29 Nov 2017 01:39 PM PST

    Is optimizing server location worth the cost?

    Posted: 29 Nov 2017 09:46 AM PST

    Hey all,

    I'm launching a web app which exclusively targets the UK market. The app is built with Django and I'm planning on deploying soon.

    My hosting company of choice is PA as I am already familiar with them and can deploy, hassle-free, within 20 minutes or less.

    The problem is that they exclusively use AWS servers in the US East region. I've heard that having servers far away from your target demographic affects (A) SEO and (B) Page load speed (duh) which in turn affects SEO even more.

    The question is - is it worth making the switch to another hosting company for this reason? I've looked at services such as DigitalOcean, Heroku and even AWS itself. I am however concerned that the cost of investing several hours/days learning to deploy on these services correctly and safely could be better spent working on the web app itself. Although this is a sacrifice I'd be willing to make if the juice really is worth the squeeze.

    I'd love to hear your thoughts, knowledge and experience on this. Thanks in advance!

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    This is for people who likes to give and receive constructive criticism

    Posted: 29 Nov 2017 01:22 PM PST

    Has a Pinterest-style template been created yet that we can buy?

    Posted: 29 Nov 2017 12:48 PM PST

    I've looked into this several times over the past years: I want to build a site like pinteret (lots of users, ability to share images and follow people).

    I've found a number of ways that sort of almost worked but then the coder gave up or didn't publish an updated version, or ones that were purported to work but people commented that they were broken or didn't do certain functions well.

    Has one of these been made yet? Where you can easily set up and deploy a website/Android/iOS site based on images?

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    ELI5: How does a browser load from a server without an html document?

    Posted: 29 Nov 2017 12:47 PM PST

    When answering this, please understand that while I can program ok in JS and know HTML and CSS (and it's frameworks) pretty well, I know nothing about JS frameworks, npm, web servers, or anything like that, hence the ELI5 marker.

    I'm attempting to learn React, and after a bit of a learning curve of getting the whole thing even set up, I don't understand what's going on to make React work. Everything I've done so far is create an HTML shell, code some JS and CSS, and then maybe the JS generates some HTML to display dynamic content. Easy enough.

    With react though, I'm coding these modules and they update to the page, but what are they updating to exactly? Basically, I go into my terminal and do the "npm start" from the folder that contains my project and it works, but I have no idea how it works because there is no HTML file anywhere, no index, nothing. What's going on with the background to make this work?

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