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    Big 4 Discussion - October 28, 2018 CS Career Questions

    Big 4 Discussion - October 28, 2018 CS Career Questions


    Big 4 Discussion - October 28, 2018

    Posted: 28 Oct 2018 12:06 AM PDT

    Please use this thread to have discussions about the Big 4 and questions related to the Big 4, such as which one offers the best doggy benefits, or how many companies are in the Big 4 really? Posts focusing solely on Big 4 created outside of this thread will probably be removed.

    Abide by the rules, don't be a jerk.

    This thread is posted each Sunday and Wednesday at midnight PST. Previous Big 4 Discussion threads can be found here.

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    Daily Chat Thread - October 28, 2018

    Posted: 28 Oct 2018 12:06 AM PDT

    Please use this thread to chat, have casual discussions, and ask casual questions. Moderation will be light, but don't be a jerk.

    This thread is posted every day at midnight PST. Previous Daily Chat Threads can be found here.

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    Why don't you call big companies by name?

    Posted: 28 Oct 2018 09:24 AM PDT

    I don't understand why in this subreddit you guys say "big G" instead of "Google" or "big A" instead of Amazon. Can anyone explain?

    Thanks!

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    Does your workplace micro-manage your lunch breaks and clock-in/out times?

    Posted: 28 Oct 2018 03:54 PM PDT

    I've worked for a few companies whose managers were particularly sensitive if you were late (by 15 minutes) to work, or spent a bit longer than usual on lunch break. Is this the norm? How did you handle it?

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    Meet your mods: u/xiongchiamiov

    Posted: 28 Oct 2018 12:25 PM PDT

    Hi! I'm u/xiongchiamiov, or James (my real-life identity is tied to this account). You can call me either of those. Or various insults, if you prefer - it's really up to you.

    I'm the last of the current moderator team to do one of these, so feel free to read through all the others if you haven't in the past, or if you have but want to refresh your memory so you can more accurately describe how much worse mine is.


    There's a linguistic marker in American English (you didn't know you were getting a linguistics lesson today, did you?) called the pin-pen merger, where the words "pin" and "pen" are homophones. This is widespread through the South, but there's a weird little dot over in California. That's where I grew up! A lot of Okies settled there after the Dust Bowl migration, and as a result many people who have lived their entire lives in California have Oklahoman accents. My parents moved there when I was 2, so I didn't pick up much of that, but I do merge pin and pen, and my wife makes fun of the way I say I "appreciate" something.

    Anyways, my little town's economy is primarily based on oil and meth, with a recent expansion into private prisons, so my parents were always focused on my sister and I leaving after high school. And I did! And majored in computers like a fancy person.

    I originally picked up html in eighth grade while procrastinating from doing something else I was supposed to be doing, and have stayed with an interest in programming, and web development specifically, ever since. I couldn't afford my rent in college without (and sometimes, despite) working, so I worked part-time throughout my schooling and then transitioned to full-time at the same companies during the summer. This turned out to be a really good thing for me, because by the time I left school I running web operations at my company, and so I had experience that most even in our application-focused school did not.

    I started doing broad web development, then partnered with a friend and he took design and frontend while I took backend and server configuration. Then I worked at a company where developers were in charge of configuring servers (a common practice in small companies), but I found it much less annoying than most of the other people, so I gradually spent more and more of my time working on that until I found myself in an operations role. I'm still a developer in some ways (and took a job as a dev after a burn-out), but I'm pretty happy having specialized down into ops. This gradual transition, combined with the part-time work, makes answering the question "How many years have you been doing DevOps?" really difficult to answer, though.

    Although I've been doing development or operations or some combination of the two for the last decade, I've never had the same job title at different companies (a good indication of why titles are meaningless). I've also never worked at the same type of company twice; thus far, I've worked in:

    • education
    • ecommerce
    • B2B SaaS
    • social media
    • self-driving cars
    • fintech

    This is a lot of fun, because I get to learn all sorts of new domain knowledge all the time.


    On a CSCQ front, I've been commenting here just over seven years, since the subreddit was only seven months old. It's been interesting to see the community grow, from being primarily new grads freaking out because they don't know anything about the job market to new grads freaking out because they know too much about the job market. :) I've only recently become a moderator here, though, but my hope is to help see this wonderful place continue to remain a place where we can provide some level of comfort and guidance to everyone navigating the turbulent world of adultship.

    AMA!

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    Product Management vs Software Engineering

    Posted: 28 Oct 2018 03:59 PM PDT

    I am currently trying to gauge which area I would be more interested Product Management (PM) or Software Engineering (SWE). For those of you with PM AND SWE experience: what are the main differences, what led you to your current role, and what does the career outlook for each field look like?

    I am in the process of applying to various internships and I want to see if PM work would be something I might enjoy.

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    Should I wait to apply until I have degree in hand?

    Posted: 28 Oct 2018 09:12 AM PDT

    I'm getting a BS in CS in December. I met a management type at a career fair and emailed them for tips before I applied on the employer's website. They said:

    Hold off on applying just yet, because you don't have your degree just yet the recruiters will kick out your resume before we (Program Managers) even see it.

    I've been applying for jobs all over. Have a significant portion of my applications been "kicked out" because I don't have my degree in hand yet? Should I be waiting to apply places?

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    After I found my first job I feel unmotivated

    Posted: 28 Oct 2018 12:54 PM PDT

    I was studying programming for 2 years in my college and at the same time tried my best to do self study and build few iOS Apps for portfolio. I was very dedicated and strived to learn everything about iOS. I worked 6 months doing internship projects. It took me few months after that to find my first full time job. During first three months I was working hard to show my skills and good dedication at my current position. However now I noticed I have less motivation to do self study in my free time. I don't have that much desire to make tutorials about iOS which I used to make few months ago. Generally I feel unmotivated to improve my knowledge and instead in my free time I just go to the gym and do anything but not coding.
    Have you ever experienced something like that? How do you push yourself to develop your skills? Maybe it's a temporary downgrade..
    Thank you.

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    Capital One vs Etsy Internship

    Posted: 28 Oct 2018 08:50 AM PDT

    This is for internship, I got both offers. I plan on being Fintech/banking with technology later in life except I don't like the location of Capital One much (as I've lived in the suburbs for my entire life, and I want to try living in the city, and Capital One is based on Mclean) Capital One is also further away from home (I'm from the Boston area, and will definitely miss home). I guess the main thing I'm just kind of concerned about is if I pick Capital One, my fintech/banking career would definitely be easier but does not work out with what I want for location, where Etsy would have the better location, and I definitely feel like I'd learn more there than at Capital One. Pay for Etsy is 40/hr with housing in Brooklyn heights, and for Capital One it's 7.6k/month with housing.

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    [Success Story] Trouble getting an offer? Ask for a work trial

    Posted: 28 Oct 2018 11:48 AM PDT

    I'd like to bring up my recent experience of getting a new job at a startup because I feel like there is something overlooked here on this board. This is meant for the many of us who aren't dedicated to leetcode grinding and don't necessarily want Big-N but know how to code and have trouble finding a new (or first) gig. There is another route beside the usual white boarding technical screen interview process.

    I was at a crypto startup that blew up in a sudden fashion a couple of weeks back - one day we went to work and were informed our next paycheck was not going to arrive. We knew things were pretty fucked for a while so I wasn't super surprised- I had been interviewing and look at AngelList for a bit. I had interviews setup at my dream company and got to the final round doing whiteboarding and that and got told I didn't have enough experience - fine whatever. Then this other company I reached out to brought me in at the same time. I did an informal lunch with the CTO, and he said how about you come in for two weeks as a "paid consultant" and basically do a trial run. Essentially, if you can contribute to the codebase and get along with the team you can get the FT offer. I said sure, why not, at that point I wasn't going into my old job anymore. The check for the two weeks was as if I was full-time employee + taxes so good comp.

    Over the next two weeks, instead of sitting home dealing with dickhead recruiters and spamming my resume everywhere I went into the office and wrote code and became a member of the team. Learned the stack and was productive with 2 PR's merged into a part of the codebase. This past week I got the FT offer with stock options and everything basically went perfectly. I'm sure that if I had instead gone for a technical interview I probably would not have gotten the offer.

    So I'd like to point out the possibility of doing a "paid trial" at a company - either you should bring this up or they may have it themselves. It's a way better way of getting hired than the usual route. Of course, you have to be in a position to go work somewhere else, but if you don't have a job or are firmly on the way out of your current place do it. Would be curious to hear others' experiences around paid trials and how they turned out.

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    How to figure out if a start-up is promising?

    Posted: 28 Oct 2018 06:50 PM PDT

    I'm a recent grad applying for jobs, and I have naturally come across lots of positions at various startups.

    While I do prefer working at small company and/or start-up environment, I still want to avoid companies that doesn't have a promising future.

    Aside from looking at their current/previous porjects, are there any specific metrics that I can observe to figure out if a start-up has a future? (ex: investment history?) I don't have much knowledge about entrepreneurship.

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    Is a reserved introvert more likely to flourish in a coding job

    Posted: 28 Oct 2018 03:29 PM PDT

    You could argue that there's a stereotype of the coder as reserved, introverted, not particularly sociable etc (I know not all coders are likely to be like that). And I fit that bill.

    But does it stand up in a real world job?

    Is it more of a suitable career for such a person as myself.

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    Flatiron Health

    Posted: 28 Oct 2018 10:11 AM PDT

    Has anyone worked here or has received an offer? Have some questions about their products, culture, potential and pay range

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    Leaving a year-round internship for a summer one?

    Posted: 28 Oct 2018 07:41 PM PDT

    I currently have 5 interviews in the next month for internships. 3 of them are summer, and 2 are year-round. If I get an offer from one of the year-round internships then I would absolutely take it because I want the extra experience, but the summer internships are more interesting (and pay more). Would it be appropriate for me to accept an offer from both a year-round and summer internship, and then as summer approaches put in my 2 weeks? Or is this a bad idea?

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    How not to become a software developer.

    Posted: 28 Oct 2018 07:21 PM PDT

    Hey, I am currently a freshman majoring in applied math and computer science at a small liberal arts school and I am extremely worried that I am going to end up becoming a software developer. I love math and computer science but that path does not sound enjoyable to me at all. Would it at all be possible to instead work (using computer science & math) doing something like data analysis in a laboratory or tech firm? How would I achieve that? Should I change my major to something like chem? (I haven't taken chem since sophomore year of high school and I didn't like it that much, but I'm sure I would)

    Thank you so much!

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    What are your employer’s 401k and retirement benefits like?

    Posted: 28 Oct 2018 02:41 PM PDT

    I'm in the government. I get 401k (TSP) matching upto 5% but I also have 3.1% deducted from my paycheck post tax for the pension.

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    Intern dilemma

    Posted: 28 Oct 2018 04:06 PM PDT

    Like many new posts on this sub, I've got a couple of internship offers and have trouble deciding on which one to take, so I'd really appreciate any input! My main choices are between Apple, Yelp and Snapchat.

    I've got a list of pros and cons going for each one of them: Apple + I know which team I'd be joining and have spoken with the manager. The work this team is doing seems interesting to me, it sort of aligns with what I've done before. I'd also get a big name on my resume and work on a reputed product from Apple. - I've been to SV before and have enjoyed it, but I'm all for new experiences and I think this one might be similar to what I've had before.

    Snapchat. + They haven't matched interns with the teams yet, so I could choose to work for a team I wouldn't have experience to work for otherwise. i.e. security or image/video processing which sound very exciting. It's also in LA, which would be a new city for me, and it seems like a fun one with lots of things going on outside of tech. Highest compensation of the 3. - The glassdoor reviews seem really bad (with mentions of internal politics). Their stock is not doing so well after instagram's stories, etc.

    Yelp + Interesting work on the teams I could be joining. Great intern program. SF (haven't lived here either).

    Any input and advice given this info is very appreciated!

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    Should I negotiate an internship offer?

    Posted: 28 Oct 2018 05:38 PM PDT

    I have two internships offer and I really want one over the other one. The company I'd like to work at is somewhere I can see myself working full time immediately after the internship.

    The way I see it, I have leverage to negotiate the internship offer right now. But I wont when I potentially get a full time offer to stay on as I do not plan on actively searching for a full time job if I don't need to.

    I want to negotiate the internship offer also in hopes that my salary will be competitive for the full time offer.

    Thoughts?? What would you do?

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    Capital One vs Citi Internships

    Posted: 28 Oct 2018 09:23 AM PDT

    I currently have two offers, one from Capital One (TDP) and one from Citi for Software Engineering internships. I am originally from NY where the Citi internship would take place, but the Capital One internship is in Virginia. Both offer a competitive pay, but I am not sure which one I should go with. I've seen a lot more posts about Capital One than I have about Citi. Is Capital One a better internship?

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    CS Graduate with 1 internship under belt and still can’t find work after 6 months

    Posted: 28 Oct 2018 08:33 AM PDT

    Hey guys, just want to know what's the best advice to securing a job when it's been months after your graduation. Is it better to just apply anywhere? Applying to companies that just hire an influx of people? What strategies can I take advantage of? Thanks

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    How Can I Negotiate a New Grad Offer Quickly?

    Posted: 28 Oct 2018 07:59 PM PDT

    Disclaimer:

    I'm using the actual company names because I don't have much time and want responses that are as applicable to my situation as possible. I am not necessarily looking for general negotiation advice, but will absolutely appreciate any help.

    Background:

    I interned at Amazon this past summer, and received a return full-time offer from them. I am graduating this December, so I also applied to Google during my internship, passed the phone interview, and got invited on-site.

    Around the same time I got my return offer from Amazon, I got transferred to a new recruiter for my remaining Google candidacy. I already alerted Google to my offer deadline of November 1st during the first week of August. My recruiter then did not reply to me for almost an entire month, so my onsite did not begin being planned until early September.

    My onsite was scheduled for the beginning of October. The day after my onsite, I sent a follow up email with a reminder of my other offer and deadline and thanked them for having me. Two weeks later I was approved by the hiring committee, and got a request for "any competing offers and deadlines" and that a final decision will be made in "1-2 weeks." At the time I received that 1-2 week timeline, I only had 15 days to respond to Amazon's offer.

    Current Situation:

    I still have not received a final decision or offer from Google, and my Amazon offer expires Wednesday night (3 days from now). From my understanding, there is a low chance of being rejected after approval from the hiring committee, so I am trying to prepare my plan of attack for the moment I get a final decision/potential offer.

    How can I negotiate with Google quickly after receiving an offer? I've barely been able to get responses from my recruiter, and with this insanely tight timeline, I am fearing I won't be able to even make a single request in time for my deadline. What components should I aim at first that they are likely to budge on? How can I maximize value with as little back-and-forth as possible?

    Should I take this recruiting process into account in my decision? My previous impression of Google as an employer was very positive, but the recruiting process has been very negligent to my timeline and is making me second guess that impression.

    Note: Amazon has already stated they are not open to negotiating their offer. This makes negotiation with Google especially important because the ball is completely in their court to put up a better or worse offer at this point.

    Thank you for any advice.

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    Travelling during recruitment process

    Posted: 28 Oct 2018 07:45 PM PDT

    I am currently in the process of applying for one of the top local companies but am travelling in Japan for the next week. I had to do my initial Skype interview in transit and now have a coding task. Ideally this wouldn't be the case but timing was against me this time.

    It isn't necessarily one that takes more than a couple of hours to complete (roadblocks notwithstanding) but as it is for a job I really want I don't want to rush and do a bad job.

    I have emailed the recruiter to explain my situation and that I would not be as prompt as usual but still don't want to push out the deadline too far.

    What do you think is the most responsible thing to do in this situation? Should i just take a day away from my travel and work on the project or work with the recruiter to organise some extra time?

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    Stay at job i'm not interested in because of tuition reimbursement or pursue new job?

    Posted: 28 Oct 2018 07:27 PM PDT

    I'm in my first job out of college and I've been working at the company for a little over a year now but I feel like I need to move onto something new. I want to do web development as this has been my focus for the best year. At my company I was hired a programmer to maintain and develop their internal web applications which make no use of current tech you see in web dev. Our stack is mix of DB2, COBOL, Java, and framework-less JavaScript written in ES5 (mostly spaghetti code). I didn't really even have a senior dev to learn from but I did at least make use of my time within this past year and I learned all of the modern tech: Node, React, Python the ins and outs of JavaScript (I understand how it is built and functions), clean code principles, design patterns, algorithms, data structures. For my last project I was able to apply these technologies, create dev and prod environments, and teach some people how to use all of this.

    This company is not technology focused, however, and I will not be programming in the near future as we move onto 3rd party packages to do work in IT. So I would like to move onto a company in which I can work with a real team, create a real tech product, and find value in the work I am producing and the product the company is creating. I'm also making like 20% less than the average pay for my work in my area and would like to change that.

    However, my current company offers tuition reimbursement and my managers suggested that I should go to graduate school which is something I really want to do. The odds for this are stacked against me though because I have always been lazy in school (I did an IT degree instead of CS because it was quicker even though I took a bunch of CS classes and did well) and my grades are quite low for graduate school. I do really enjoy learning and I spend a lot of my free time reading academic texts which is one of the reasons why it was suggested I go to grad school by my managers. I know I can do well on my entrance exams and write a convincing application essay because I've always done well when I apply myself and I understand the material I would be studying in grad school at a high level. I want to go to grad school so that I can actually apply everything I read about to real world problems and have the ideas rigorously challenged. It's fun to talk to friends about intellectual ideas derived from what you learn from your own studies, but it doesn't lead anywhere because there is no academic environment in which the ideas can be scrutinized and further developed by people with real domain knowledge. FWIW I would be studying math, statistics and data.

    I think what would help me the most is that my managers would be able to offer a very strong recommendation to the program and I'm not sure if there will be more opportunities like this in the future. But I'm not even happy at this company and would just as much like to pursue my web development career which seems less risky and more realistic. I wouldn't be getting full reimbursement, but a good amount. But it also doesn't seem fair to take this and then leave the company. Does anyone have any good input to offer on this situation? I don't know if this will be my strongest opportunity to get into a grad program and I don't want to spend the rest of my life thinking "what if?". But I've also worked hard to learn a lot about web dev this past year and I don't want to stagnate and miss career opportunities - I think I should be pursing something new ASAP.

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    US company wants to fly me out for final round from Canada but US passport is expired - what do?

    Posted: 28 Oct 2018 07:14 PM PDT

    Dual citizen here in Canada. My USA passport is currently being renewed and should be ready by January. I have my Canadian one. A company I'm interviewing with wants to fly me out within the next month for the final round, and I might not get my passport by then. Is it legal for me to travel the States with just my Canada passport to see the employer, even if I'm not getting paid? I've entered the States with my Canadian passport for tourism but I'm a little worried in this case here. This is for an internship btw.

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    Retailmenot new grad salary?

    Posted: 28 Oct 2018 11:23 AM PDT

    Does anyone know how much retailmenot pays their new grads? They give their interns $7000 a month in Austin

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    Career Hop

    Posted: 28 Oct 2018 06:33 PM PDT

    Originally posted in learnprogramming thread, but realize this thread may be more suiting.

    Alright guys, I have been seriously considering jumping over to software development for about a month now. I currently work approximately 10 hours a day as an electrician apprentice. I am in a great program where in 5 years (2023) I will have a journeyman's card, $60/hour full package, and an associates degree in Electrical Engineering. I started this program because I need a job to provide for my family (wife and two kids) and it starts me going in the direction of becoming an Electrical Engineer. The main problem with this program is that until then, I am making sub-par wages, the work is not challenging, and realistically speaking, 5 years for an associates degree seems ridiculous to me. Before I started as an electrician, I never even considered that you could work for a legitimate company as a software engineer/developer prior to formal education. However, after further research, I have realized that I can get a good job as a programmer/developer/engineer while I work towards a formal education.

    I have two main questions and I know most of the answers will depend on the employer, but I am looking for some generalities to help me make the decision if I will pull the trigger on a career hop.

    - What kind of benefit packages should I expect if I were to make the switch ? Is the health care sub-par, average, or excellent? What about retirement plans, PTO, and employer education contributions?

    Until I commit entirely to a career swap, I have begun learning to code to see if I would enjoy this line of work. About a week and a half ago, I began reading an O'reilly Head First HTML/CSS book and working through that because I was going to start Javascript but was told I need prior knowledge of HTML/CSS. I also started freecodecamp and I am about 80 lessons into the front-end certification. I have just heard about Udacity's CS101, and am considering leaning into that before continuing with programming. There are so many ways to start and I do not know which would be best for me. What do you guys suggest, keeping in mind that I work 10 hrs/day and am occupied with my family until about 8pm, which leaves me with about 4 hours until midnight (when I have determined to be my normal bed time) and some weekends to study programming. If I were to pull off a career swap my goal would be to complete a CS degree and develop code for emerging tech.

    What is the best way to start? Should I take a free intro to CS class such as udacity CS101, start coding with freecodecamp.org, or continue with the O'reilly books? Should I keep studying web-development languages such as HTML/CSS/javascript in order to land a job prior to formal education? Or should I begin with C++ etc.?

    Also, if there is a subreddit for succcess stories, please point me in the right direction!

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