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    DEAR PROFESSIONAL COMPUTER TOUCHERS -- FRIDAY RANT THREAD FOR August 31, 2018 CS Career Questions

    DEAR PROFESSIONAL COMPUTER TOUCHERS -- FRIDAY RANT THREAD FOR August 31, 2018 CS Career Questions


    DEAR PROFESSIONAL COMPUTER TOUCHERS -- FRIDAY RANT THREAD FOR August 31, 2018

    Posted: 31 Aug 2018 12:08 AM PDT

    AND NOW FOR SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

    THE BUILDS I LOVE, THE SCRIPTS I DROP, TO BE PART OF, THE APP, CAN'T STOP

    THIS IS THE RANT THREAD. IT IS FOR RANTS.

    CAPS LOCK ON, DOWNVOTES OFF, FEEL FREE TO BREAK RULE 2 IF SOMEONE LIKES SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T BUT IF YOU POST SOME RACIST/HOMOPHOBIC/SEXIST BULLSHIT IT'LL BE GONE FASTER THAN A NEW MESSAGING APP AT GOOGLE.

    (RANTING BEGINS AT MIDNIGHT EVERY FRIDAY, BEST COAST TIME. PREVIOUS FRIDAY RANT THREADS CAN BE FOUND HERE.)

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    Daily Chat Thread - August 31, 2018

    Posted: 31 Aug 2018 12:08 AM PDT

    Please use this thread to chat, have casual discussions, and ask casual questions. Moderation will be light, but don't be a jerk.

    This thread is posted every day at midnight PST. Previous Daily Chat Threads can be found here.

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    What is it like to work at a US office of one of the major Chinese tech companies like Baidu, Alibaba and Tencent?

    Posted: 31 Aug 2018 11:21 AM PDT

    Has anyone worked at one of the American offices of the big Chinese tech companies before? If so, what is it like? How is the culture, pay, work, etc?

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    Other grads from top CS schools with low gpas and no internships, what changed your luck in job hunting?

    Posted: 31 Aug 2018 07:55 AM PDT

    Applying to any company whose main focus is software,marketing, finance or healthcare is met with this:

    Thank you for your interest in (name). After careful consideration of your background and experience, we have elected to move forward with other candidates at this time.

    I'm trying to stay proactive and thus posting here for advice from people in my situation

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    Has ageism affected your job search recently?

    Posted: 31 Aug 2018 04:46 AM PDT

    I was prompted to post this question because I recently had a great (or so it seemed) interview and got turned down. I got the feeling that ageism may have been a possible reason.

    Have you personally experienced ageism recently?

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    Spotify Culture + New Grad Jobs

    Posted: 31 Aug 2018 11:41 AM PDT

    Hello,

    I am a college senior that interned in NYC this summer.

    I want to return to NYC and one of the main companies I would love to work at is Spotify. Since I don't know anyone who worked there I was wondering what the engineering culture is like there?

    Also I was looking at the job postings for the NYC and didn't see any new grad roles. Does anyone know if there are explicit new grad roles for the company?

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    How to quit a job without your manager present

    Posted: 31 Aug 2018 07:14 AM PDT

    I'm kind of on a time constraint and need to put in my two weeks notice within the next week, but my manager is away on a trip and there is no telling when he will get back. Would it be okay for me to turn in a two weeks notice into HR? Should I let my manager know somehow as well?

    This is my first job and I've never quit before so I am unsure on how it all actually works.

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    Should I Risk Negotiating?

    Posted: 31 Aug 2018 05:06 PM PDT

    After having had my first on-site for a full-time position two days ago, I was extended my first offer today since graduating in May. The offer is good, and I like the company. The only problem is that the commute would be a little rough for me.

    I have been thinking of negotiating a better base salary because of the commute issue, but I am hesitant to do so since I don't think I have much leverage, and I would hate to lose my only offer.

    On the other hand, I'm currently in the final stages (one interview left to go) with another company that is more accessible to me in terms of commute, but I don't think they'll schedule the interview, have the interview, and then make an offer all within other company's deadline.

    I would appreciate any advice. Thanks.

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    [Work/Life Balance] How do you manage expectations to avoid running yourself into the ground with work?

    Posted: 31 Aug 2018 03:34 PM PDT

    I am currently a mid-level engineer trying to break into Senior-level thinking. I have 6 years experience, but I am still terrible at managing expectations. My lead engineer can give me highly complex, ambiguous tasks, yet even if I define my own work I end up delaying PM deadlines because I get "too far" into the problem. Sometimes it even gets so bad that I become confident about solving a problem, promise to show progress the next day in a demo, then when I sit back down to finish I run into MORE complexities I didn't account for which end in me cancelling demos, pushing back expectations I previously set, and frustrating co-workers in both my team and the product team. Finally, I end up bringing my work home instead of staying late. I frequently open my laptop up after dinner to work.

    Is there any guiding light to improving expectation management? Books I should read? Conversations that I'm obviously not having?

    Any insight is helpful, except for the "you're the worst" kind, I already know that.

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    math based cs career

    Posted: 31 Aug 2018 01:39 PM PDT

    Are there any math-cs jobs that can be obtained with a BSc/MSc that are more applied math/stats and less writing code?

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    How to deal with senior developer and CTO who are covering each other's flaws at the cost of the work?

    Posted: 31 Aug 2018 02:56 AM PDT

    I need a sounding board on this one, folks.

    I've been at my company for 8 months and the work itself is interesting, but I'm having some "fit" problems with the team structure. The company is in that painful phase of growth where they've outgrown the startup scale, but haven't adopted "big boy" ways of doing things.

    Despite the fact that we have JIRA and a product team, most of the work still gets done with very little documentation of requirements. These are mostly communicated person-to-person and often come in from side channels without any involvement of the product team.

    This means that once it's past development - our 1 QA guy usually has no idea what he's supposed to test and has to just ask the developer directly. And when he finds system behaviour he doesn't agree with (even if it was intentional from the developer's point of view) there's no business ownership to settle disputes on how things are supposed to work.

    All of this is being tolerated and enabled by the lead developer and CTO who are the only management layers above the developers (on the technical side), and who are both people that love to do things on the fly and by the seat of their pants.

    Worst of all, because the senior developer is involved in so many projects and everything he communicates is done verbally - he often thinks discussions have been had and agreements have been reached which just never happened.

    It's gotten to the point where my enthusiasm for the company has been worn down by all these micro-frictions that emerge whenever I try and do the simplest of tasks.

    So what's my next move?

    In the short term I think the only thing I can achieve is trying to convince my senior dev to communicate more over channels with a history so there's less "he said she said" about what's supposed to get done.

    But how does one accelerate the adoption of more scalable ways of working when it seems to run against the personality types of the people in management roles?

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    Looking at moving to San Diego, what should I expect in compensation/COL?

    Posted: 31 Aug 2018 07:31 PM PDT

    I'm living in the midwest right now. Been interviewing at some jobs in LCOL areas expecting around 85k-95k salary. I have 3.5 years experience full stack. What's reasonable to expect in SD? 120k? Would that be about equivalent to 90k in Indianapolis or Phoenix (two other places I've been applying) or would I need more. I don't know enough about SD COL. I don't live an extravagant lifestyle and I'm not trying to buy a house but I know rent and taxes are significantly higher along with things such as groceries I imagine.

    Also what companies are the best to work for? If any other SD devs don't mind sharing their salary and how much they're able to save per year, that'd be very helpful info!

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    How to stay happy at a job you don't enjoy?

    Posted: 31 Aug 2018 11:27 AM PDT

    Fair warning, this post will sound whiny and is definitely a first world problem.

    I recently posted about getting a job at a Big N on a team that I really liked, working on a really nice tech stack, but then got put on a different team due to unforeseen circumstances. The consensus seemed to be was just to stay there and wait it out, but I find that I absolutely dread coming into work now. It's been a bit over a month now on the new team.

    The team isn't as fun, it's harder to get help, and I don't feel like I "fit in".

    I have a big problem with this team's practices and tech stack. Little to no test coverage and no automated deploys. Using Knockout and ASP.NET, etc.

    I took this job for a couple of reasons reasons:

    1. I felt like I got along with the person who would be my boss and my team member.
    2. I really liked the tech stack and their process/practices.
    3. It was a Big N Company that I really liked.

    Obviously, 2 of those reasons are gone. Now it's just a Big N company that I work for, and that's all I got going for me. If I had initially interviewed with this team, I might have taken a different Big N company's offer. And I can't quit, since I'd owe a lot of money back for my sign on bonus and my relocation package (Have to stay a year).

    For the past 3 yeas, I've worked on projects I either enjoyed, or projects that offered me a learning opportunity. Outside of really domain specific knowledge, I've yet to learn anything valuable here.

    But I've come to the terms that. The question now is how people cope with working on things they don't enjoy.

    I also don't know if I should discuss this with my new boss on this team, since I don't want to come off as the whiney new guy.

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    Is an online degree in CS a hindrance for a graduate in the eyes of a hiring manager?

    Posted: 31 Aug 2018 11:40 AM PDT

    I'm looking to go to school and get a computer science degree from the University of Washington. I'm 29 years old, and my girlfriend(soon to be fiancee) is 33, and we don't have much time to wait around while I go to school. I have about 3 years of school left, and she's stuck in Moses Lake, WA, which is 2.5 hours away. I'm looking into online options so I can be closer to her and raise a family while I still go to school. What are your thoughts on this situation? Is an online CS degree going to significantly impact my career as a software engineer?

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    I mentioned I didn't like UI work today

    Posted: 31 Aug 2018 08:18 AM PDT

    As a newer grad I mentioned this (not sure this belongs here). People were completely flipping out about it at work today. They were shocked that I didn't like the whole concept of putting it together. I felt it was reasonable but I'm confused to why there was push back?

    In my perspective, it's simply not my cup of tea as I find it oddly boring and lacking. I tend to find working in the back end extremely more satisfying because I get to work with more of what I find to be the nitty gritties.

    Any perspective on this? to be fair, it's not like I refuse to work on UI, just a preference. However, it had me a little concerned because they seemed to be really upset. Almost as if, I SHOULD like it.

    EDIT: To clarify on this, this was an informal casual conversation. We're all 100% remote so this was over VoIP. We were discussing the 4 different software soft launches that we recently did. One team mainly did the UI and our team was mainly on the back end and did a knowledge transfer to X company. In this private group conversation was where I mentioned that I found the UI uninteresting and didn't find it likable from my experience. Upon saying this my co workers expressed an odd tone questioning it which felt like I needed to like it or something. I didn't really understand the push back on it as they were advocating it like 'if you don't like it then you can't do XYZ" but I simply saw it as a preference not my ability to do it. I think they had a problem with my preference because maybe they felt the UI was pretty darn important, so important that they felt I had to like it. That is how I ended up on here to gain some insight on UI moving forward. Thanks everyone for the information!

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    In your experience, what are the main differences between working as a software engineer, or a similar role, and going to school for your degree?

    Posted: 31 Aug 2018 04:09 PM PDT

    I am wondering what I should expect in the realm of software related professions, and how it differs from getting my bachelors. I put a lot of effort in to school, and always seem to be doing homework or otherwise studying. Will a software engineering job be as anxiety provoking? How difficult are the average problems you face compared to something like proving an algorithm you came up with works, and fits a certain running time. How do they compare to standard programming assignments you had in your classes?

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    When is math ever really used in algorithm questions?

    Posted: 31 Aug 2018 09:53 AM PDT

    Apart from the super basic stuff like knowing how mod, log and exponents works, I rarely see questions on leetcode or in CTCI that test on things like knowing the formula for summation notation or even more basic things like Pythagorean theorem. I think the most math related question I've ever done was one where I had to implement Sieve of Eratosthenes.

    Is that stuff more for competitive programming than for int3rviews?

    I'm not doubting the importance of this stuff and know these questions are out there but just wondering why I rarely see them.

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    Moving on from full-stack web development

    Posted: 31 Aug 2018 02:12 PM PDT

    Hi, so here's my background. I have a CS college degree, worked for a couple of years in level 2 support/tools dev. For 5 years now I have been doing full-stack software dev, with some devops and a little bit of BI.

    I am fed up with full-stack development (.net), the throwaway tech, very shallow work and generally low standards. I don't want to touch the front-end anymore, especially web front-end. I still love to code and won't mind learning new tech. Sure, I could go deep in .net core, but so far it feels like it will follow the hype flavor of the month garbage the other stacks thrive on.
    Also, I feel blue-collar web devs will not be as needed in the future, the value will drop drastically.

    What field could I look into and where finding a job can be possible?

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    Anyone have experience working at GM, Ford or FCA in Detroit and the surrounding areas?

    Posted: 31 Aug 2018 07:38 AM PDT

    I have been really interested in getting involved with these companies after graduation and have currently applied to one of them for an internship position already. Has anyone worked at one of these companies before? And if so, how was the work environment? What kind of work did you do and how are their teams managed? And if you can recall, how was the application and interview process? Thanks in advance for any response.

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    How do managers hold the person/team accountable to ensure first time quality and take ownership in their deliverables?

    Posted: 31 Aug 2018 07:36 AM PDT

    For some taking ownership comes inherently, others learn on the job with experience, but for the few slackers what can a manager do to ensure that the team delivers with first time quality, takes ownership of their task and hold them accountable if they don't meet it?

    EDIT: responding to some questions Thank you all for responding. The team was inherited due to a re-org 5 years ago.

    Defining slacker as someone not taking the ownership to complete the job - dropping tasks, doing the bare minimum. they understand the domain, been in the field for 5 years . they have the tools and knowledge at their disposal but just lack ownership. More like an attitude problem I guess? - for example a key deliverable which goes to the CEOs of the vertical we support went without any QC and a lot of errors. It ultimately becomes the managers responsibility to figure out where the issue is and how to resolve it because it needs to be done.

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    SkillGigs Job Board Site Review

    Posted: 31 Aug 2018 04:19 AM PDT

    I'm currently job searching while working part time. I was approached by a recruiter the other day who wanted me to visit a site called SkillGigs and make an account, saying that it was a great place to find a job.

    I could find almost no information on the job board online, and no honest reviews, but I've been job searching for a long time and I'm running out of gigs in my area that I can apply to on other job boards. I bit and signed up for the site, filled out all my information, and went to apply for jobs.

    Here's what I'm going to have to say about the site; It's probably not worth bothering with unless you have extremely in-demand skills, and then you probably won't need it.

    There's only a total of 39 jobs (not all of them in tech) listed on the site, no entry-level jobs at all, and only 2 jobs available for people with 1-2 years of experience. The rest of the jobs are for people with 3+ years of experience. The jobs are also almost exclusively at Big N companies - Yahoo, Google, Facebook, etc. I haven't seen a single job for a start-up come across the platform since I signed up, and there's a single job in tech that I qualify for there, which pays less than half the market rate for the skills that the job calls for.

    Other experience with the site:

    I signed up and spent about 3 hours filling out my resume there, detailing my past work experience and filling out everything I could to the best of my ability. I've taken some resume-writing classes before and I think I have a pretty good grasp of what to include. I got an email the same day requesting to set up a phone call with the person who was going to be my 'Talent Advocate' with the site. I signed up for a call the next day.

    The next day I received an email saying that the 'Skillgig Team' had found a lot of corrections to be made in my resume. Okay, fair enough, maybe I messed some stuff up somehow. The email was from the same person who was my 'Talent Advocate', and the email requested again that I set up a phone call. I emailed him back that I would talk to him about the stuff over the phone call. Didn't get a response. The time for my phone call appointment rolled around, and they never called. I sent them another email about half an hour after the phone call was supposed to happen, and received nothing. I still haven't heard back from that person.

    TLDR: The site sucks, don't waste your time.

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    Thinking of doing a Fullstack Bootcamp with Trilogy. I am studying a completely unrelated major, but am interested in cs overall. Is this a good place to start?

    Posted: 31 Aug 2018 05:01 PM PDT

    Hey everyone, please let me know if there is a better place to post this or to approach the topic!

    I currently have an Associate's and am thinking that before I transfer to a four year for my Bachelor's in International Affair and Business, it would be great to get a certificate in a field related to technology to market myself more everywhere and have the possibility of finding a job in that field if I can't in my degree pathway (which am planning for lawyer, paralegal, ambassador, judge, etc)(I am trying to prevent unemployment, but I am aware it may be unavoidable). My ultimate goal is to be in New York, if that tidbit helps in any way.

    I plan on trying a bootcamp run by Trilogy (from what I have read isn't one of the top ones, but doesn't seem too awful) and will be going into debt of about $12k+ to do it. With no experience in computer science and no higher level math skills (I have not done any calculus and I regret my decision not to have done it in high school), I worry whether this is a good place to start.

    Of course I will definitely do my best to do more projects after the program, take on as many internships and networking opportunities as possible, get a lot of help, and learn more overall about cs theories etc later, but there is definitely a concern of how many corporations and companies out there will take someone like me without a computer science degree to back up the certificate (some do say an equivalent can be accepted with experience, but tend to still have a cs/math/science focused component on it). I would have preferred to work in govt if I got the certificate, but they seem to be set on people with Bachelor's (as with other major corporations as I've looked around job sites).

    I worry if this is a step in the wrong direction. Are the two fields too unrelated and might it be a bad idea to try to pursue a certificate from their full stack bootcamp program as a possible side career?

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    Is there really a Silicon Valley blacklist?

    Posted: 31 Aug 2018 01:12 PM PDT

    Anyone have any info on the supposed blacklist? I interviewed with a small startup, the guy running it seems connected in SV, at least he said as much, and I think I'm going to pass on the offer and I kind of worry about getting blacklisted because of how far into the process I am. I don't have any specific reasons to be concerned, he didn't say anything about it or anything, I'm just a worrier and wonder if I back out and he happens to be spiteful if I'll be on that rumored list.

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    Is a Master's degree or experience more valuable?

    Posted: 31 Aug 2018 12:59 PM PDT

    Hi, new here. I'm a Computer Engineering student (read: half-assed CS, half-assed EE) in Brazil with two years left before graduation. I am a dual national, so after studying for free here I plan to go to the US. My grades are very median here, but I don't know how they would translate to the GPA system.

    I have been interning in a tech startup for around 4 months now doing pretty mundane work, only occasinaly touching a Ruby script or two. I don't know how relevant this info may be, but it is a half-time paid internship. However, there is a guaranteed promise that, after an year or so of working there, I will have the opportunity to join one of their programming teams.

    On the other hand, I could try to apply for a master's degree at the end of the year and do that instead. The master's would be something related to CS, but I'm not sure how much more of a choice I would have.

    What are your opinions?

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    High-pay, high-risk tech jobs?

    Posted: 31 Aug 2018 11:44 AM PDT

    Curious if anybody here works a high-pay, high-risk tech job, where the pay is heightened because of the risk, location, work conditions, or some combination. Does that exist in the tech world? The only thing I can think of is that there must be IT jobs in oil boom areas (like North Dakota, the Middle East, etc) that fit this description.

    I'm 29M, single, American, looking for an out of Silicon Valley to a change of scenery, something more adventurous, but can still pay (relatively) well.

    In a past life (college and two years after) I spent time going on long trips/ adventures to random places (American Southwest, Canada, China), so this is something I believe I would enjoy.

    Anybody work a job like this?

    Skills are in Python, Golang, JS web in general if that matters. Thanks.

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    Why isn't interviewing.io available outside of the US?

    Posted: 31 Aug 2018 07:56 AM PDT

    Is there any plans that it could be available for the rest of the world anytime soon? Any alternatives?

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