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    DEAR PROFESSIONAL COMPUTER TOUCHERS -- FRIDAY RANT THREAD FOR June 08, 2018 CS Career Questions


    DEAR PROFESSIONAL COMPUTER TOUCHERS -- FRIDAY RANT THREAD FOR June 08, 2018

    Posted: 08 Jun 2018 12:08 AM PDT

    AND NOW FOR SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

    THE BUILDS I LOVE, THE SCRIPTS I DROP, TO BE PART OF, THE APP, CAN'T STOP

    THIS IS THE RANT THREAD. IT IS FOR RANTS.

    CAPS LOCK ON, DOWNVOTES OFF, FEEL FREE TO BREAK RULE 2 IF SOMEONE LIKES SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T BUT IF YOU POST SOME RACIST/HOMOPHOBIC/SEXIST BULLSHIT IT'LL BE GONE FASTER THAN A NEW MESSAGING APP AT GOOGLE.

    (RANTING BEGINS AT MIDNIGHT EVERY FRIDAY, BEST COAST TIME. PREVIOUS FRIDAY RANT THREADS CAN BE FOUND HERE.)

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    Daily Chat Thread - June 08, 2018

    Posted: 08 Jun 2018 12:08 AM PDT

    Please use this thread to chat, have casual discussions, and ask casual questions. Moderation will be light, but don't be a jerk.

    This thread is posted every day at midnight PST. Previous Daily Chat Threads can be found here.

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    What kind of salary could I earn straight out of college with a CS major but no experience in the field?

    Posted: 08 Jun 2018 05:00 PM PDT

    Alright I'm going to preface by saying that this is the 3rd time I've written this post because it keeps getting too long. Sorry if it's still a lil lengthy :/

    Hey guys! I'm a soon-to-be college freshman, starting in the fall at a large university that, from what I understand, has a pretty solid CS degree program and I'm starting to seriously consider dual-majoring in CS and Biology. I'm not entirely wanting a CS career for the rest of my life, but I'm going to need money fast after I graduate and, since I'm pretty good at math already, I feel like a CS degree might get me the cash I need.

    Basically, I want to be a vet. Specifically, though, I want to be a wildlife vet at a sanctuary, hopefully abroad, meaning I will be paid next to no money for the rest of my life. Also, vet school is normally about as hard and expensive as med school, but without the payout afterwards. Almost every vet on the planet goes into *major* debt trying to get their degree, and many spend the rest of their lives paying it back. It's honestly pretty fucked.

    Since I'm good at math, am pretty comfortable with computers, and like money, I'm thinking I might be able to swing a CS degree while in school (side note: I'm going to need damn near straight As to get into vet schools, so please let me know if this plan would actually kill me). My (probably kinda romanticized) idea is that I could work in tech during grad school and maybe pick up occasional projects afterwards to support myself while I pursue my dream of being a vet. Theoretically I don't even need a Bio degree, just the pre-reqs vet schools want. It may also be worth noting that I would be aiming to go to grad school at UC Davis, so I'd be in the proximity of the Bay Area and hopefully would have more opportunities there or within commuting distance than the average city.

    The problem: vet schools admissions are cut. throat. In order to get in, most schools require at least a couple hundred hours working with animals, but a solid applicant is expected to have thousands in as many different fields as possible (large animal, clinic, exotic, marine, wildlife...). I'm going to be spending most of my undergrad years trying to get as many vet internships/jobs as possible, and I really don't see anywhere for tech jobs to fit into my schedule. I'm not wanting the Google/Facebook/Microsoft jobs that I think a lot of the people on here are seeking when they graduate, but I would want a job. It just seems like there's so many applicants out there that, even if I'm aiming low, I would lose the race to someone way more qualified trying to figure out a game plan while they wait for their big break. If I'm not going to be able to find a job, or if the job I could qualify for would only pay about as much as a job I could get with my veterinary experience (~$30,000 a year), I just don't think it'd be worth it, so I was hoping for some help figuring this out. A couple questions:

    1. What kind of job, if any, could I expect without any experience, apart from my degree?
    2. What kind of salary could I get?
    3. Are there any other tech-related degrees that would be more useful for my goals than a straight computer science degree; CS Engineering? Cybersecurity? CIS? Software Engineering?
    4. Everyone has pushed me towards STEM careers since I'm a girl who's good at math, and that would OBVIOUSLY make it sooooo easy to get hired /s. Would me being a girl actually make any of this easier?
    5. Last but not least: would a major even be doable for someone with literally no CS experience? Would I be able to make good grades in it, or would I just burn myself out in the process?

    Once again, sorry this got so long, and thanks to anyone who made it all the way to the end. Just lookin' for some advice.

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    Thinking about the guy that lost his internship due to GPA...do companies not consider the fact that GPAs can be inflated?

    Posted: 08 Jun 2018 08:57 AM PDT

    I saw some friends celebrating their high GPAs but they took classes that were known to be on the easier side and / or took business courses - seems odd to me that companies still focus on GPA cutoffs

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    [OFFICIAL] Salary Sharing thread for EXPERIENCED DEVS :: June, 2018

    Posted: 08 Jun 2018 12:08 AM PDT

    The young'ins had their chance, now it's time for us geezers to shine! This thread is for sharing recent offers/current salaries for professionals with 2 or more years of experience.

    Please only post an offer if you're including hard numbers, but feel free to use a throwaway account if you're concerned about anonymity. You can also genericize some of your answers (e.g. "Biotech company" or "Hideously Overvalued Unicorn"), or add fields if you feel something is particularly relevant.

    • Education:
    • Prior Experience:
      • $Internship
      • $RealJob
    • Company/Industry:
    • Title:
    • Tenure length:
    • Location:
    • Salary:
    • Relocation/Signing Bonus:
    • Stock and/or recurring bonuses:
    • Total comp:

    Note that you only really need to include the relocation/signing bonus into the total comp if it was a recent thing. Also, while the primary purpose of these threads is obviously to share compensation info, discussion is also encouraged.

    The format here is slightly unusual, so please make sure to post under the appropriate top-level thread, which are: US [High/Medium/Low] CoL, Western Europe, Eastern Europe, Latin America, ANZC, Asia, or Other.

    If you don't work in the US, you can ignore the rest of this post. To determine cost of living buckets, I used this site: http://www.bestplaces.net/

    If the principal city of your metro is not in the reference list below, go to bestplaces, type in the name of the principal city (or city where you work in if there's no such thing), and then click "Cost of Living" in the left sidebar. The buckets are based on the Overall number: [Low: < 100], [Medium: >= 100, < 150], [High: >= 150].

    High CoL: NYC, LA, DC, SF Bay Area, Seattle, Boston, San Diego

    Medium CoL: Chicago, Houston, Miami, Atlanta, Riverside, Minneapolis, Denver, Portland, Sacramento, Las Vegas, Austin, Raleigh

    Low CoL: Dallas, Phoenix, Philadelphia, Detroit, Tampa, St. Louis, Baltimore, Charlotte, Orlando, San Antonio, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Kansas City

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    How "Hireable" are People with Associates Degrees in Either IT or Computer Science?

    Posted: 08 Jun 2018 07:01 PM PDT

    How to deal with mental blocks?

    Posted: 08 Jun 2018 10:47 AM PDT

    I had an interview with Oracle today and completely blanked out during the technical question they asked. It was the clock angle problem, and I feel so dumb for not getting such a simple question right. In a normal scenario this shouldn't take more than 5-10 minutes but I ended up staring at the board mumbling to myself until the interviewer walked me through an incomplete solution before we ran out of time. Feelsbadman

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    Anyone here have experience moving away from the Bay Area for another tech job? How was your experience? Are you happier now?

    Posted: 08 Jun 2018 04:31 AM PDT

    Hi! Currently, I'm a software engineer working in in the Bay Area.

    To be clear, this isn't an "I hate California now"-type post -- I generally like it here, and I like my job, but a lot of recent negative personal events that I won't get into (~70% of the reason) compounded with the usual complaints about this area (long increasingly stressful commutes, increasing costs of living, etc -- 30% of the reason) are getting me to seriously consider moving.

    In any case, I just want to know a few things:

    • How was finding a tech job outside the Bay Area? Was it difficult? Where did you move?
    • How does the culture in software engineering differ from that of the Bay's?
    • What's your quality of life like now? Why do you/do you not regret your move?
    • Did you end up wanting to move back?

    Thanks in advance!

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    Urgent internship advice..quit one for another?

    Posted: 08 Jun 2018 03:22 PM PDT

    So I am in a dilemma. This week I started an internship at a fortune 500 company, lets call company A. Today I received an offer from another company, which we'll call company B. Company B is much smaller company. They took a while to come to their decision, and I never received a response from my follow up email when I asked for a timeframe estimate. Therefore, assuming I just never got the position I took company A's offer and started this week. I know quitting an internship is really bad because its such a short employment and I really don't want to burn any bridges. But I'm only considering company B for a few reasons:

    1) It is literally 10 minutes from where I live. Company A is MUCH further and I usually spend 3-4 hrs every day on the road in heavy traffic. It's bad.

    2)Better internship title. I know a better "title" for an internship doesnt mean jack, but basically company B I'd be coined an engineer intern while company A I'm just pretty much an analyst. As far as the tasks and responsibilities, they both seem pretty aligned with what I want to do in the future.

    3)Better pay: If I wasn't a single mother, the $10/hr pay difference would not really be a driving factor in changing internships. However, I AM a single mother and I any little bit counts in my situation. I pay $2k+ in childcare every month and it's really hard. And plus because company B is so close to me, I dont have to shell out those extra hours on the commute for childcare so that alone is even more cost savings.

    The above 3 pretty much sums up the reasons why company B would be a better fit, and mainly reason #3. Company A is a fortune 500 so it's a much bigger company and I really love the work culture so I'd hate to be burning bridges. But as a non-traditional student/ situation, I do have to think of things from a practical standpoint.

    Any and all advice would be greatly appreciated.

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    How often do you guys do presentations at internships?

    Posted: 08 Jun 2018 05:06 PM PDT

    I was just wondering because at my internship we do maybe 2-3 presentations a week..

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    For almost a decade I've always been a bigger fish in a small pond at work. But is it finally time for me to take a senior role?

    Posted: 08 Jun 2018 11:24 AM PDT

    Sometimes I've worked in small teams (4 or less people), and otherwise I have to work alone in solo projects. In one of my junior jobs I was even the sole developer for the company, and as you can expect the company can't accurately read what the developer does or what the extent of their duties are.

    Because of this it was hard to learn new things from others and I have attained gaps in my knowledge. We don't even run automated tests in our own code.

    But, I have been at work for about 8 years and as people like to think simply, they probably expect me to have senior level skills if they were reviewing my resume. And today, such an opportunity came to my inbox. A company is looking for a senior level or lead developer to help take the charge of a new project.

    Now, I think the project they described sounds interesting and it uses languages and tools I'm familiar with. But about always being the big fish in small ponds, and having few chances to learn from more experienced programmers, am I ready to take charge?

    On one hand I don't know if taking a senior job is dishonest but on the other hand I don't want to stay "junior-mid" for the years that I have. Is it common to have this much self-conflict when moving to a senior position?

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    How to deal with anxieties of not knowing enough?

    Posted: 08 Jun 2018 03:37 PM PDT

    Hi, I am fresh out of college, going to join a company in next month but now a days I feel like I know nothing. I don't know how many feel this way but due to this I started revising everything but still feeling not going away. Help me..

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    Large Companies in San Diego that don’t require clearance?

    Posted: 08 Jun 2018 10:51 AM PDT

    I'm from San Diego and I don't want to move outside of the city for around a couple years or so. I'm looking for different job opportunities and the majority of large companies I find for software engineering in this area requires that I get a clearance. I'm not willing to wait 1.5+ years to get one.

    I've tried to apply for Qualcomm through their site but it's so buggy, I can't create even an account or use the "Drop and Go" for my resume.

    The reason I want to go to a larger company is to hopefully learn from a mentor good practices. In my current position, I sort of just do stuff but I have no guidance.

    Does anyone know of any companies I should be looking out for here?

    I know of ViaSat, AppFolio, Qualcomm, Intuit, Illumina, HP, Sony, Experian and Dexcom. Not a lot of tech but a lot of biotech, I guess.

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    Linkedin filtering by experience level

    Posted: 08 Jun 2018 11:35 AM PDT

    I'm a recent grad looking for a entry level position, mainly searching on linkedin, but I cant help but notice if I do a job search for "software engineer" in my local area, I get these stats:

     

    Number of jobs by experience

    Internship: 8

    Entry level: 912

    Associate: 346

    Mid-Senior level: 117

     

    In the positions labeled as entry level, the corresponding job requirements listed don't denote that it's entry level. Any thoughts are why this is the case?

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    How are things at Uber ATG?

    Posted: 08 Jun 2018 04:07 PM PDT

    I'm considering an offer from Uber ATG. I really like the projects, team, and offer.

    That said, I everything hear about it from the outside looks horrible. There are lots of startups being created with their talent, they've put a pause on their driverless cars program, and I can't seem to find any good testimonials. Is there anyone who works there currently that could let me know how the Pittsburgh office is handling things?

    edit: removed saying that they're "hemorrhaging" talent since that's a bit hyperbolic.

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    How do you get that first internship while still a noob with little experience in university?

    Posted: 08 Jun 2018 07:35 PM PDT

    Feeling a little inadequate right now

    Posted: 08 Jun 2018 08:26 AM PDT

    In my first real dev job. I've been there about 8 months? We work with custom Wordpress websites, applications, and Ruby on Rails. I'm fairly experienced with Ruby on Rails, but not so much WordPress or PHP. Still, I'm getting the hang of it (it's really not that hard, but it's easy to get tripped up in WP with all the levels of obfuscation and hierarchy).

    But about 4 months ago, I was given a choice on a project:

    1. Build it in Wordpress as a Wordpress Plugin (copy another dev's work)
    2. Build it however you want (we are allowed to perform "Professional Development")

    I allotted for the Professional Development option. I wanted to learn React.js so I built a React on Rails project. It works, but it's fairly glitchy. I finished it in about a month and told my uppers "Hey, this is what I have. What do you think?" They never used the application, signed off on it, and thats when the gears started turning...

    4 months later and all of the higher ups in my company are somehow interested in the app (I guess they got wind somehow). They want to use it for X, Y, Z but i's not really fleshed out. So, last week, my boss actually uses the application for the first time and sees that it's pretty fucked. In fact, it's not very intuitive at all. It works (barring network issues because JS). But I can tell that my boss is unhappy with the actual product. TBH, I hate it too.

    I have been working every night to recreate the application in Vue.js. I just find that Vue.js is a better framework for my purposes (and now that I have a better understanding of the project, I feel I can do better). However, I don't think I can roll out version 2.0 before I have to demo the existing application to all of the higher ups. Obviously, when I use the application, everything is smooth. But it's pretty clear that when they use it... It's going to go tits up. I'm also spending some work time to fix the glitches, but the app is such spaghetti code that I'm afraid it'll never be revived without a tear down.

    For reference as to "how shitty is my product?", I'm storing MASSIVE nested objects as serialized JSON data in the database... It's really ugly. I was just dealing with learning React.js for the first time plus I stupidly went with Redux. Redux is great, but I wasn't prepared to handle that level of integration with the application.

    /explanation

    TL;DR

    So, how do you handle being a little shitty at your job? Clearly, I had time within the 4 months to improve the project. But I didn't notice any of the issues because I suck at usability testing. To me, it always worked. But I built the bloody thing. This is my first custom application for the company. I've worked on dozens of others. I've made mistakes on those for sure. How do you deal with this kind of error? We aren't a "quick-to-fire" company, but I'm definitely worried that I'm done for.

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    Can I recover from this Low ball offer? Security Engineering

    Posted: 08 Jun 2018 11:47 AM PDT

    I'm a CS grad with about 2 years experience. Most of that is in software engineering, but I also did a lot of work with Security Engineering and have some pretty good certifications - CISSP, OSCP, AWS Solutions Arch are the main ones. I recently interviewed with a large company in San Diego and was told verbally that they would only be able to offer me 77k for a Security Engineering position, which is not only a lot less than what I was expecting, but also a lot less than what I am already making in my current position (in the defense industry so already getting paid below average). My target salary was $110,000, which I thought was reasonable so I'm not sure how they came up with this low ball number. Would it even be possible to negotiate up to 110k when they are starting at such a low number? I'm not sure how to proceed.

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    Quick & dirty MATH recommendations for non-CS software dev?

    Posted: 08 Jun 2018 12:08 PM PDT

    I have a STEM background but have been running into a lot (more) stats, advanced linear algebra, number theory etc. at my job recently than I studied in college. Curious if anybody has great course recommendations to get that solid math foundation that I missed by not studying CS?

    Sort of using this as a reference and just filling in the gaps based on what I'm missing ... But any more input on these courses, or other recommended CS math classes out there would be wonderful.

    https://github.com/ossu/computer-science

    Thank you!

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    What are the advantages of being a research assistant during an MSCS program in the US for someone whose priority is to just get a job post-MS?

    Posted: 08 Jun 2018 10:41 AM PDT

    I do not have a CS bachelors background but currently taking a foundations course to get up to speed.

    Due to knowing the right people and a bit of luck, the professor at the university I am attending offered me a position as a RA and will guarantee a position after I finish my foundations in CS. Because I am not very strong academically (honestly mortified by the thought of writing a thesis) and was just looking for a career change, I am not sure if RA path is right for me but since there is an offer, I wanted to know if RA will be a good choice that will help me land a job in the future.

    What would be the opportunity cost? I believe I won't have time for an internship if I accept an RA position. Is an internship experience valued more over a RA experience in the eyes of a recruiter?

    I am currently interested in ML and DL and would be awesome to land a job in the related field.

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    Not getting enough assignments at work, am I getting fired

    Posted: 08 Jun 2018 12:18 PM PDT

    Basically I'm a recent grad started working for this other firm. The company is probably a medium sized company, but the dev team is like 10 people. I am the youngest and probably most junior person on my team. I like my work, so far it's every laid back here. I don't get stressed out. The pay is right around industry medians for a junior dev.

    I've been getting assignments. I am able to complete all tickets/projects on time easily, and usually ahead of schedule. But the thing is sometimes after I finish these assignments, I don't get immediately assigned something else. And a lot of time is being used waiting on other people. For example, let's say I finished the first revision of this web page, submitted and I need to know what the stakeholder thinks of it first before I make further changes, asking that person whether they prefer this or that as the requirements were vague, or waiting for a file from someone in marketing department that is required for this web app. Just a couple examples. My manager understands this, as things like that is out of my control.

    And I don't get assigned a whole lot of projects. I just feel like I'm not being challenged enough. Initially I was slightly concerned I wasn't getting a lot of work, thinking are they going to fire me or something. But my reviews and feedback from the manager was generally positive, so I guess not? The thing is I've been trying to take initiate and ask for more work. My manager has said he'll send more stuff my way. But usually he doesn't assign me more work on a timely basis. I think it's because he's just so busy all time(more higher priority projects at the moment), and has neglected me.

    So right now I'm basically coasting throughout my job. During my down time at work, which is quite often, I read up news articles, tech articles(medium, free code camp), currently messing around with ReactJS and basically learn new languages/frameworks, and code mini projects on my own laptop.

    I just want to know is this normal? To not have much work on your plate. To not be challenged enough, even after 6 months in? I mean I appreciate being at a low stress position. But I don't feel like I'm getting any better since working. I have asked for more work and my request is kinda ignored.

    What should I do?

    Thanks!

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    Personal website - About page - What to say?

    Posted: 08 Jun 2018 08:30 AM PDT

    I'm working on a personal website that I want to share with prospective employers. What sorts of information should an aspiring software engineer include on their about page?

    I should also mention that I'm Chemistry major and a CS minor and I don't have any software engineering internships or relevant work experience. Since I don't have any industry experience, should I talk about other experiences that I've had in school that have helped me to build strong problem solving skills?

    Thanks in advance for any suggestions!

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    How to leverage multiple offers

    Posted: 08 Jun 2018 06:01 PM PDT

    I have 4 years of experience (L4). I have passed the last stage for 2 ML positions at big 4 companies in different countries (UK and Switzerland) and a quant dev offer for a famous London Hedge fund.

    How can I proceed to get the most out of them and use them as leverage? Can you go back and forth or do they only renegotiate once? Should I focus on getting sign on bonuses or additional RSU's? The countries have different salary bands and tax rates making it hard to compare. I'm new to negotiating and am afraid to not pushing hard enough due to fear of losing an offer.

    Additionally I am asked what my current renumeration looks like. Is it ok to tell them that you'd rather not disclose or could this lead to them not making an offer.

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    Recruiter asking for salary expectations

    Posted: 08 Jun 2018 01:51 PM PDT

    I'm a recent ECE graduate looking for a full-time position and was contacted by a recruiter after an interview for a hardware position.

    They said they would like to make an offer but asked me what my salary expectations are. I obviously asked for some time to consider instead of just spitting out a number. This is the first time i've been asked by a recruiter about expectations before an initial offer and I don't know how to respond.

    I am roughly aware about the average compensation in my field in the area, but I'm not sure how to respond. Some tips I've heard in the past: always give a range, never one number; ask for higher (within reason) than what you want then "meet in the middle".

    I also have an offer for a similar position but in a different location (which is much higher compensation than the average compensation for the location this job is in). That offer is about 50% more than this one (average), however I still want to take this once since I prefer the location. Since this is a different location with different averages, I am unsure how applicable this is and whether I should bring this offer up with the recruiter or not.

    Any tips on how to respond to this are appreciated!

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    What companies work with AI in a military capacity?

    Posted: 08 Jun 2018 03:00 PM PDT

    Politics aside, Google just recently announced they aren't going to work on AI tech that has military applications (I'm over simplifying but that's the gist of it).

    What software companies/organizations out there do work on military applications of AI?

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    What's it like working in security?

    Posted: 08 Jun 2018 05:12 PM PDT

    I'm thinking of going into computer security but unsure if it's right for me.

    A few questions I have are on the topic of:

    Job fulfillment

    Stress level compared to other fields

    The job perspective after college

    Salary compared to COL

    And overall experience

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    Is it possible to negotiate an entry-level government salary?

    Posted: 08 Jun 2018 02:57 PM PDT

    I'm a recent graduate expecting a job offer from a local military base for a computer engineering role; can I negotiate a salary or am I pretty much locked in due to their pay grades?

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