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    DEAR PROFESSIONAL COMPUTER TOUCHERS -- FRIDAY RANT THREAD FOR June 29, 2018 CS Career Questions

    June 29, 2018

    DEAR PROFESSIONAL COMPUTER TOUCHERS -- FRIDAY RANT THREAD FOR June 29, 2018 CS Career Questions

    DEAR PROFESSIONAL COMPUTER TOUCHERS -- FRIDAY RANT THREAD FOR June 29, 2018

    Posted: 29 Jun 2018 12:08 AM PDT

    AND NOW FOR SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

    THE BUILDS I LOVE, THE SCRIPTS I DROP, TO BE PART OF, THE APP, CAN'T STOP

    THIS IS THE RANT THREAD. IT IS FOR RANTS.

    CAPS LOCK ON, DOWNVOTES OFF, FEEL FREE TO BREAK RULE 2 IF SOMEONE LIKES SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T BUT IF YOU POST SOME RACIST/HOMOPHOBIC/SEXIST BULLSHIT IT'LL BE GONE FASTER THAN A NEW MESSAGING APP AT GOOGLE.

    (RANTING BEGINS AT MIDNIGHT EVERY FRIDAY, BEST COAST TIME. PREVIOUS FRIDAY RANT THREADS CAN BE FOUND HERE.)

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    Daily Chat Thread - June 29, 2018

    Posted: 29 Jun 2018 12:08 AM PDT

    Please use this thread to chat, have casual discussions, and ask casual questions. Moderation will be light, but don't be a jerk.

    This thread is posted every day at midnight PST. Previous Daily Chat Threads can be found here.

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    Boss told me "We don't pay you to learn on the job". Wondering what you guys think about this?

    Posted: 29 Jun 2018 07:18 AM PDT

    I'm not sure how to feel. Wondering what you guys opinions on this are.

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    I got a summer internship!!

    Posted: 29 Jun 2018 03:32 PM PDT

    Hell yes!

    I'm super lucky to have gotten on this late in the season. I've been applying to different positions for the past few weeks. I'd be lying if I said it was difficult to obtain - it just took an annoyingly long time. I probably applied to about 17 different positions over the course of a few weeks. Literally just searching different sites like google, ziprecruiter, indeed, linkedin, etc. I had no connections whatsoever.

    The position is for a food pantry that needs help redesigning their database for how they track their food. For context - I've only taken two CS classes. Granted I had other nonprofit experience under my belt, so that may have helped as well. I'm just very pleased I was able to get an internship that involves actually building something.

    I should start soon!

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    I am concerned about everyone knowing how to code.

    Posted: 29 Jun 2018 07:35 PM PDT

    It seems these days people are being pushed more and more to learn programming. It is sometimes treated as a sort of fundamental skill like mathematics or knowing a foreign language. From what I have read, some are considering making Programming a requirement in order to graduate from high school. My concern is that once I graduate with my Computer Science degree my skills will be less valuable than they would otherwise. My question is: to what degree should I be concerned and what actions can I take while I am still in university to develop skills that set me apart from the majority?

    Edit: I suppose I worded my question poorly. I was asking moreso whether the demand for programmers will decrease in the future as a result of more and more people teaching themselves or being taught how to code, not particularly whether demand for programmers will cease altogether.

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    What are you most proud of from your career?

    Posted: 29 Jun 2018 08:26 AM PDT

    We talk a lot about getting the most "prestigious" jobs, the highest salaries, and our frustrations at work. As an aspiring software engineer, I'm more curious to hear about what I have to look forward to in my career as a whole.

    Looking back at your entire journey, from first making ScratchCat move 10 steps to the left, to today, what is your proudest achievement? Maybe it's an amazing algorithm you wrote, or a crazy bug you tracked down. It could even be non-technical, like maybe you're most proud of being able to provide for your family, or seeing your code have a real impact on the world.

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    Do passionate programmers make bad workers?

    Posted: 29 Jun 2018 12:24 PM PDT

    Over the weekend, I was chatting with someone in the industry. They basically told me that passionate programmers make the worst employees, and people who go into the industry for money are easier to work with and more desirable.

    Their reasoning was that people who get into programming because of passion lack many traits that are desirable to employers. They tend to obsess over things such as coding practices, rather than adapt to the workplace and figure out ways to deal with annoyances . They will never be happy because they are always searching for their "dream job" and comparing boring work to their personal projects. They tend to have poor soft skills and lack a "bigger picture" or "business" mindset.

    People who get into programming for the money tend to balance their lives better, instead of coding on personal stuff when they get home, they recharge. They are more interested in all of the moving parts of the business, communication, etc. They aren't as arrogant or obsessive, etc so they are easier to work with and managers like them more, also tend to have better work ethic due to seeing it as just a job

    Are they full of crap, or is there truth to this?

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    Taking time off for travel / adventure

    Posted: 29 Jun 2018 07:25 PM PDT

    Hey all - I've been lucky to have been able to take a good chunk of time (7 months) off between finishing college and starting my first job (swe at big N).

    I'm really enjoying having the opportunity to do this, but to be honest there is so much to do in this world that I already want to start planning my next serious adventure. Also, I feel like now is really the time to do it, when I'm young, healthy, have no qualms roughing it when travelling cheaply...

    Would it be reasonable to take maybe 4 months of unpaid time off in maybe 2 years? What would be the best way to do it without hurting my career?

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    I've been assigned a mentor as an intern, what can he do for me?

    Posted: 29 Jun 2018 04:08 AM PDT

    I'm working at a fortune 500 that hires a lot of software devs and is really big into data science recently. I've been assigned a mentor and during our first meeting he asked me what he could do for me to help out my experience as an intern other than answer my questions, and I came up blank. How can I take advantage of him? I have another meeting with him soon.

    Edit: he's very high up/ an exec and his boss answers to the CEO

    Edit2: he doesn't assign me any work, my manager and team do

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    My sister might be getting fired. Is her employer being sexist?

    Posted: 29 Jun 2018 11:31 AM PDT

    Disclaimer

    I'm a guy and my older sister works for a medium-to-large sized, privately owned tech company. I don't want to give too much information to protect her identity. Because of that, every name will be made up. For the sake of this story, my sister's name will be Jane. If I know my sister as well as I think I do, she is not the kind of person to twist a story in anyway. She's always been an extremely objective story teller, so I believe her on everything that she said. That being said, I recognize that I only have one side of this story, and it might be tough to make any definitive statements until we hear all sides.

    Every quote I use in this story is paraphrased, as I'm going off memory from what my sister told me. I might also come in and change details about the story with edits at the bottom if my sister tells me that I have some details mixed up (I plan on sharing this post with her).

    Finally, I'm the one who put the idea of sexism in my sister's head from this story. She did see it as sexism at first, but my perspective makes it seem that way.

    Story

    My sister has been working at her current tech company for roughly 1.5 years. Less than a year ago, another person started working there, who we will call Todd. Todd was always kind of a "bad worker" and wasn't too respectful to Jane. Jane was put in charge of training Todd (but was NOT his boss), but Todd never seemed to listen to Jane or take her seriously. While my sister was training him, he would often be on his phone or browsing Facebook. He even went as far as saying "I don't need your help. I can figure this out myself." (Again, paraphrased quotes from memory). Due to his poor attitude and job performance, Jane reported Todd to HR.

    This is where things start to get bad in my opinion. HR told my sister "Don't ever come to us about Todd again." Jane was taken aback by this and wasn't sure how to proceed. Instead of pursuing things further, she let it go because she didn't want it to affect her work performance. In the next few months after that, Todd made some blatantly sexist and homophobic remarks towards my sister. These included the following:

    • "It's always surprising when a woman works in tech because they're so much better suited for other industries."

    • "I don't hate gay people, but I think they're disgusting."

    • "Bisexual people are sluts."

    Jane never went to HR about this because they were firm to tell her not to report him again. So she went about her business and continued to try to train him. One day, Todd made the same mistake for the umpteenth time and it reflected poorly on my sister. Jane firmly told him that he made a mistake and that he needs to have a better eye for these mistakes. In her words, she was relatively firm, but still kept a matter of business professionalism.

    Todd went to HR and told them that my sister lashed out at him, so HR launched a full investigation on my sister. When my sister was talking to her two bosses, they were pretty firm with her that she had to get along with him. She asked if it was okay if she requested that HR also launch a similar investigation on Todd for the three above phrases. One of her bosses told her "You can do whatever you want. But if you have any other problems with an employee, you will be fired." In this same meeting, they assured her that she was not going to be fired from this, and that there is absolutely nothing wrong with her job performance. When her bosses asked if Jane was trying to get Todd fired, she said "No. If I wanted him to get fired, I just wouldn't do anything and let him do it himself." After the meeting, my sister did not report Todd to HR, for fear of being fired.

    Less than a week later, she was given a "Final Warning" that cited her quote from that same meeting. One of her two bosses from that meeting told her that she shouldn't hold a grudge that she's getting fired for something that isn't her fault.

    Questions

    1. Is my sister's company being sexist towards her by giving preferential treatment towards her male coworker?

    2. If so, what should my sister do?

    3. Does she have any legal recourse?

    4. Did HR try technically try to suppress her from coming to them?

    5. Did her bosses bully her by threatening her with termination if she raised any issues regarding Todd's behavior?

    6. What would you do in this situation?

    Thank You in advance!

    Edit: The issue that resulted in Todd reporting Jane was when she said to him "I don't feel like you are respecting me." He then ran out of the room crying. I'd also like to add that he once said "Guys who cry are pussies."

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    How do you guys get through those slow days where you have nothing to work on?

    Posted: 29 Jun 2018 11:28 AM PDT

    Half my office is on vacation while the other half just loaf around this time of year. I'm a busy body so I like work to do but I don't know if it'd be smart to ask for more.

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    Accidentally sent message to my tech lead...

    Posted: 29 Jun 2018 03:14 PM PDT

    I just started at a new company. And I thought I was sending a chat to a friend. Turns out it was to the tech lead.

    All I said was "my tech lead is always busy".

    This is after he didn't show up to a meeting and couldn't meet with me today. And wasn't awnsering any of my chats.

    I think he is a good tech lead too and seems really personable. Just busy.

    It's been kind of frustrating the past 2 weeks because I can't even build my application for various reasons. And I have to come up with a tech spec in July.

    But still.... How hosed am I?

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    Am I screwed when I get out of college?

    Posted: 29 Jun 2018 08:23 PM PDT

    To sum it up:

    My college experience has been shit, I had a lot of external issues interfere with my college career and I'm concerned for when I leave college to get a job in computer engineering (I know... this is cscareerquestions but only place I could think of to past at).

    So my stats: GPA Just above a 2.0

    Experience: Job for a year @ really big airport in the US as an IT Tech Level 1

    Software Engineer (yes while i am attending college, I needed money so I freelanced and this kinda became a regular thing...) I worked for this position a year ago and still currently. I had developed an app which isn't super popular but has a respectable userbase (between 3k-5k downloads). I also do various other blockchain engineering projects with this company.

    So as you can guess I am banking on this job to absolve me of my hideous gpa, and any sob stories as to why my gpa is so low (and boy do I have one...) I would eventually like to do a masters later but I am well aware that is going to be a rough battle...

    At least job wise you guys think I will be alright finding a job in computer engineering? Thanks reddit!

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    Anybody have weak fundamentals?

    Posted: 28 Jun 2018 10:08 PM PDT

    I just failed a big N that I'd been studying for and thought I had a chance. I did about 100 leetcode to prepare and thought that would be enough. Apparently not. I suspect my core fundamentals are weak

    Here's the deal: I never really learned how to learn. In college I put pretty minimal effort into classes but kept a decent GPA. I learned how to calculate big O countless times, but I never "really" learned it. I've also done tons of recursion from classes and leetcode but I never "really" learned it. I also got a C in algorithms.

    My work history is impressive enough to get interviews and offers, but only at companies that don't whiteboard, or use whiteboarding in addition to personality/background interviews.

    A solution I'm considering is taking a DS&A class at a top school (my school wasnt highly ranked and I definitely see why) but I didn't get into those schools for a reason, I just have trouble learning.

    My question is how am I supposed to retain concepts like that? I've never used recursion at work in any companies, and we never really stood at a board to think of algorithms, just high level design and then 'ok go do it'. So my life has been okay without being able to 'really learn' but I want to get better for my own sake.

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    After finally almost getting an offer, I messed up!

    Posted: 29 Jun 2018 04:17 PM PDT

    I can't believe it. I've been searching for a job since forever. I did the onsite. The interviewer said he was impressed with my skills, and he was going to move me on to the next step. In my naive experience, I told him I was in the early steps of the process with other companies. I was hoping he'd understand I was suggesting that if he gave me an offer quickly, I wouldn't continue with the other companies. He said to not worry; he'll wait 2 weeks and in the meanwhile I can talk with the other companies. It's been 2 weeks, and I haven't received a single reply. Yes, I even tried emailing him. I can't believe how dumb I am.

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    Please help me choose between two offers: support engineer vs. algo trading developer

    Posted: 29 Jun 2018 07:55 PM PDT

    First of all, a little bit about me:
    - Software Engineering degree
    - living in Tokyo
    - been working in Finance industry as a software developer for 7 years + 2 years of internship
    - want to move to tech company where I can focus more on software quality rather than often mundane tasks to keep users happy
    - want to join large tech companies as a developer such as Google or Microsoft, but in Tokyo

     

    Now the two offers which I have received and the pros (+) and cons(-) I came up:

     

    Support Engineer at Microsoft (11 - 11.5M yen including cash and stock bonus)
    + large tech company which I wanted to join
    + this is supporting customer developers who use Visual Studio and Microsoft's SDKs, so it is still technical role, and you get to work on challenging issues which those developers couldn't resolve (analyzing crash dumps and debugging, writing sample code snippets and tech blogs) and it will provide me good experience even if I go back to developer later
    + chance to move to MS dev team given the performance is good. This is mentioned in job description as well, that support engineers in Visual Studio team could join dev team in Seattle, for example
    + the role involves mostly written and spoken Japanese with customers, which will boost my business Japanese skills. I have rarely used Japanese so far in my career, and given that I want to stay in Japan for a while, this will be valuable experience
    + competitive pay for Microsoft Japan (lv 60). They said lv 60 is the highest level you can get for non-manager level.
    - its not development and not ideally what I want to do. Basically I am depending on the chance to move to their dev team later, hopefully
    - using business Japanese everyday with customers could be stressful as I don't have much Japanese experience in business. I am ok with speaking (most of the interviews were in Japanese), but they didn't measure my reading and writing skills which I am not so good due to kanji.
    - easy interview. They actually didn't ask any technical questions other than my technical experience, but they valued highly on the fact that I speak 3 languages
    - (minor) only 13 days of paid leave initially

     

    Algorithmic trading developer at Fidessa (13M yen total)
    + tech company and from the interviews (google style interviews) I feel like they do care about software quality
    + this is probably one of the most interesting dev work as a financial developer
    + very competitive pay for Japan. Actually I can't find any tech company in Tokyo that could beat this pay for my level of experience and with good work life balance, maybe except Google Japan. Avg developer salary in Tokyo is more like 5-6M yen although it is a bit higher for those who speak English
    + uses the same 3 most popular programming languages used at Google, so better chance to get into Google afterwards, compared to only knowing C# which I am using?
    + not much Japanese used
    + 20 days of paid leave, higher than Microsoft
    - (big minus) missing out on chance to work at Microsoft and potentially move to their dev team. If I take this offer, work hard, and end up moving to their dev team, I'd say it was a good choice

     

    Both companies have:
    - good teammates (my feelings from the interviews)
    - good work life balance

     

    Thanks for reading this far.. what do you think and which offer would you choose?

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    Do you believe banks when they publicly say they're tech company?

    Posted: 29 Jun 2018 09:14 AM PDT

    I've seen this so many times I actually started considering applying for some roles in firms like MS, GS, JPMC.

    Problem is: when I read glassdoor or similar SWE/SRE/Tech analysts there are complaining about being second class citizens. Is this sill the case as of 2018 or are those just older opinions? Are there islands/teams within banks that are tech friendly?

    I have previous experience with small exotic-ish finance firm where SWEs are second class and it's really not great. I'd like to change and have been approached by recruiters representing banks but don't want to go from bad to worse.

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    What to expect, with one year of experience?

    Posted: 29 Jun 2018 01:42 PM PDT

    I graduated in May 2017 and have been working full-time as a software engineer at a company in SF. In college, I had 3 internships (2 software engineer, 1 design) and now I have 1 year of full-time experience. I'm looking to switch companies though. How should I prepare for interviews? How would interviews differ compared to new grad/entry level roles?

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    Capital One SWE summit in Arlington, VA

    Posted: 29 Jun 2018 04:47 AM PDT

    just out of curiosity, anyone know what the acceptance rate is like? also, who else is accepted/going & where from?

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    Am I able to refuse to travel a different state for a week at a time if that wasn't mentioned in the job description a few years ago when I was hired?

    Posted: 29 Jun 2018 07:27 AM PDT

    I took a job with my current company 3 years ago. Lately, my team has inherited a dead end project that had wasted countless man hours. Upper management is discussing the idea of sending me from my current state to another state during weekdays and having me fly home for weekends. This would go on for an undecided amount of time.

    I don't want to go at all. I don't want to let them even think it's an option so I don't want to even go one time. Long term travel was never discussed in our original description and every year I mention im not interested in traveling.

    I know finding a new job is an option. I was wondering what my options are that don't involve looking for a new job for now.

    Thanks

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    Because of my autism and anxiety I don't actually have the ability to advance my career. Am I fucked?

    Posted: 29 Jun 2018 07:21 PM PDT

    I realized this on a boat (the company put on cruise thing for interns) yesterday when one of the organizers (the organizers talked to me, I didn't talk to anyone else) started talking to me about networking and how important it is to shop around inside the company for organizations and make yourself visible. If you're a genius but you're shut up in a corner somewhere that's not very helpful.

    I hear that a lot but it was finally beaten into my head there (although he wasn't intending on doing that). But...

    I literally can't do that. I can't be social. Despite going to every intern event this summer I couldn't tell you another interns name and I guarantee you none of them no mine. And that boat ride was kind of confirmation of that. The entire event was literally "Go onto this boat and network with other interns" and....I couldn't do it because I'm a retard.

    This has been something I've struggled with for 24 years. Half my time on Reddit has been asking "How do I human?" and I've never gotten an answer from Reddit, my therapists, my support network, etc. It apparently can't be explained.

    So does this mean I'm fucked? I got the job through an autism program thing (so they're not paying us NEET bucks for the rest of our lives) but...if this is the case and I'm as bad at this (socialization) as I thought I was....

    Am I fucked? What can I do to make up this deficit in that I have no, and can develop only very limited analogues for, social skills.

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    First day - what to expect?

    Posted: 29 Jun 2018 06:45 PM PDT

    This is my first "corporate job" ever. The employer is a top-something SV company; from what I understand it's a great place to work but not without politics and bureaucracy.

    During the interview phase I definitely learned that I have some weaknesses (never got a CS degree) - as well as a few other things.

    First day is orientation, some corporate brainwashing, IT set-up, etc.

    I want to hit the ground running best I can. From what I understand I'll be meeting up with my small-ish team after all of this. It's my understanding I won't be committing any code until day 60 - which is crazy to me as I've worked almost exclusively on my own projects and assumed I'd be thrown in the lion's den right away.

    - What should I keep in mind?

    - Anything I should say specifically?

    - How do I make the best possible impression first day?

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    Associate Programmer Salary

    Posted: 29 Jun 2018 06:31 PM PDT

    I wanted to get some insight on the salary for associate/entry level programmer. For those who have worked as an associate programmer anaylst/developer

    What was you salary? What state/city? What company did you work for?

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    Did I just screw up with the head of HR?

    Posted: 29 Jun 2018 02:34 PM PDT

    I just got off the phone with my final interview for a company. It was with the head of HR and this is for my first job out of college.

    After the interview was done, I was told that everyone I had interviewed with had only positive things to say about me. It was at this point that I decided to tell them that I have more onsite interviews I'm waiting on in the coming weeks. They said that in that case, they would wait for me to hear back from the other companies before they take any further steps, but they also mentioned the would contact me next week.

    Is this a major blunder on my part? Should I do something to fix this situation? I'm really worried I screwed the pooch here, especially since they seem like a great company. It would have really helped boost my confidence if I were to have an offer from them.

    Thanks!

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    Need advice and help about my future!

    Posted: 29 Jun 2018 06:04 PM PDT

    Hello everyone, this is my first time posting questions on reddit so I apologize in advance if I am breaking any rules here. Just to get a general idea of my background, I'm 24 and have decided to pursue towards a career in CS. I feel like I wasted a lot of my time out of high school trying to figure out what I wanted to and have not been able to settle on one goal until now, and I can't help but feel I'm too late to get started towards a CS career. I'm going to my local community college and I've started to taking classes towards a Web Development certificate that they provide at my school. Some of the classes that are required for the certificate are HTML, CSS and Javascript as well as PHP. I can say that I thoroughly enjoy what I am learning but can't help but feel that what I am learning here isn't enough. I want to be able to find internships and build a portfolio and resume for myself so that I can continue to pursue my goals. Are there internships for people pursuing a web development career? And if so, what would be my next step after I finish this certificate? As said before, I feel as if the certificate might not be enough for me to apply for jobs so I would also appreciate other help regarding what to do to make myself look credible? I appreciate any and all answers! Thank you to everyone!

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    What is your CS side hustle?

    Posted: 29 Jun 2018 09:03 AM PDT

    Until one of my various resumes nets me that fancy new CS job, I'm stuck with the one I've got - but that doesn't mean I can't find some sort of CS side hustle. Are there any particularly good ones to break into that can still be performed after a long day of placating irate customers?

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