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    DEAR PROFESSIONAL COMPUTER TOUCHERS -- FRIDAY RANT THREAD FOR April 19, 2019 CS Career Questions


    DEAR PROFESSIONAL COMPUTER TOUCHERS -- FRIDAY RANT THREAD FOR April 19, 2019

    Posted: 19 Apr 2019 12:07 AM PDT

    AND NOW FOR SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

    THE BUILDS I LOVE, THE SCRIPTS I DROP, TO BE PART OF, THE APP, CAN'T STOP

    THIS IS THE RANT THREAD. IT IS FOR RANTS.

    CAPS LOCK ON, DOWNVOTES OFF, FEEL FREE TO BREAK RULE 2 IF SOMEONE LIKES SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T BUT IF YOU POST SOME RACIST/HOMOPHOBIC/SEXIST BULLSHIT IT'LL BE GONE FASTER THAN A NEW MESSAGING APP AT GOOGLE.

    (RANTING BEGINS AT MIDNIGHT EVERY FRIDAY, BEST COAST TIME. PREVIOUS FRIDAY RANT THREADS CAN BE FOUND HERE.)

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    Daily Chat Thread - April 19, 2019

    Posted: 19 Apr 2019 12:07 AM PDT

    Please use this thread to chat, have casual discussions, and ask casual questions. Moderation will be light, but don't be a jerk.

    This thread is posted every day at midnight PST. Previous Daily Chat Threads can be found here.

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    Let go from first Junior developer role after 2 months

    Posted: 19 Apr 2019 03:19 PM PDT

    TLDR: Got a job as a junior dev, after 2 months, got told I was not a good fit for the company and they should have hired a senior dev instead

    I'm gonna try to keep this short while encapsulating all the relevant details, but basically what has happened is that I applied to an "intermediate developer" role, passed the two interviews and the take-home project and joined the Start-Up as their first "Junior" developer.

    I am 1 of 2 of the developers working on the Web App, ( we have an iOS and an Android team, though they don't know anything web dev related). The senior developer works remotely, comes in once a week for the weekly dev meetings and spends an hour with me regarding any questions I had about the code base.

    In my second week there, I was tasked replicating one of the features from the iOS platform. Which is basically reading and writing from the database. This took me roughly 2-3 weeks just to get the reading/displaying/filtering done. I don't think they were expecting me to take this long, there was already another feature in the pipeline that I had to build. Things weren't looking good, I was super stressed, not sleeping well because of the stress, not getting the guidance I had hoped, and all-around shit show for my mental state and my growth as a developer. We ended up parking the feature I was working on, and released what I had into production ( which was just the reading and displaying) and moved onto the next feature I was tasked with.

    On Thursday we had our weekly dev meeting, which was also the end of the sprint, I guess they were expecting me to finish that feature, which I haven't, they asked me how long I would be, I said maybe a few days, not sure...I'll work on it on the weekend.

    Later that day the CEO pulled me into a separate room and asked how I was etc. I gave him the full rundown, stressed, frustrated, not getting much guidance from the senior dev etc. He agreed with all my points and said it's unfortunate that that's how things turned out, goes on to say that they tried to get the senior dev to be more helpful but he wasn't really willing to give the help I needed. He went on to say that they don't really have the resources to provide the guidance I need and that they should have hired a senior dev instead of a junior, because they're a startup with limited resources things need to be moving a lot faster etc He said he would provide a positive reference and will help wherever he can (regarding my job applications).

    In a way, I'm kinda relieved that I get to look for another job, I was super stressed, before and after work..not getting much sleep, and not learning as much as I thought I would. I'm not really sure where to go from here though...Do I list this as experience on my CV? What do I say about why I was only there for 2 months? Do I still work during the weekend like I said I would?

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    Salary cut and have to work for free on the weekends

    Posted: 19 Apr 2019 04:25 AM PDT

    Hi all,

    I'm a junior dev and have been at this company for less than a year and today they asked all employees that their salaries will be cut and if you don't want to do that then you will be let go on the basis of redundancy. I'm scared to leave as I left my last job just after 5 months and leaving this before a year will bode very bad on my professionalism and no one will be able to hire me or it might take me months to find a place and out of frustration I might end up in a hell hole, like my first job of 5 months.

    The other devs and I always worked free on the weekends and now this pay cut and working free is just hurting.

    Any advice?

    Edit: I've been here for nearly 11 months(really want to make it a year). Also my work isn't your typical 9-5, it's 9-6 but often we leave at 9-7 but pay is only for 9-5.

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    Are companies that hire mostly h1b workers red flags?

    Posted: 19 Apr 2019 05:57 AM PDT

    Currently work at a large company (50k+ employees), my org is ~100 people mostly engineers but the amount of workers on h1b is extremely high. Outside of the directors (5 people) and a Cexec nearly everyone is working here on an h1b.

    They're also paid comically low wages. Since their salary is public it's easier to tell who is making what based on start date.

    A coworker is one level higher than me and I make double their salary.

    My company makes 50 billion a year, proper wages wouldn't be impossible here.

    While I'm frustrated with my yearly raise (3%) and started looking at other jobs, I'm noticing a trend where companies that have minimal h1b workers tend to pay way more. I have two offers that are 20-40k more than I'm making now, one of which has a single h1b being paid market rate out of 500 people.

    Is this a common trend? Companies that lowly pay their h1bs likely treat all workers poorly?

    I even see a job ad (hidden to meet labor law requirements) that they are looking for a Senior SE for $120k. The city I live in a Snr SE makes 180-200k.

    How can I expect the company to treat me right when my coworkers are poorly treated already?

    My thinking is that if they aren't willing to pay SEs what they're worth (regardless of citizenship) it's a place to avoid working.

    Would you agree with this?

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    Almost graduating from a theory-heavy CS Master's Degree and feel underprepared to get a job in my specialized field (Data engineering)

    Posted: 19 Apr 2019 02:08 PM PDT

    I go to a good uni in Denmark and currently in my last year of a Computer Science MSc. I had plenty of good courses I took:

    • Functional programming (Haskell, Scheme)
    • Advanced C++ (small mathematical assignment)
    • Computation theory (Turing machines, automata etc)
    • AI/ML (pen and paper only)
    • IT Business theory

    I am specializing in big data technologies. Problem is this involved reading and researching for the most part. The projects were always "new insight" focused, a.k.a. must make some kind of experiment and find unique knowledge nobody wrote a research paper about yet. All good and fine, except that this involved very minimal actual development. More about analyzing Apache big data tools and their performances.

    Has anyone had similar experiences in their CS MSc ? I feel like I would have to work on side projects for months after graduation to actually learn any marketable skill. Not to mention there seem to be like 5 data engineering jobs in the whole country. My only marketable skills are ASP.NET/C# development and overall web dev (PHP, JavaScript etc). Feeling lost as this MSc was different from what I though its gonna be.

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    Those who ended up in mid-level positions (or with mid-level responsibilities) instead of Junior positions for their first job and made it work, what did you do? How has it affected your future jobs?

    Posted: 19 Apr 2019 06:10 PM PDT

    Somewhat inspired by this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/bf54di/let_go_from_first_junior_developer_role_after_2/

    Many first time job seekers can end up with more responsibilities than they expected/can handle (And not of their own fault! Like in the case above. It can especially happen with startups that are not stable). For those of you who were thrown into such a fire but were able to succeed, what are the things you did to make it work/succeed in such an environment? Especially without a much of a mentor?

    For those of you who started this way, how was it like looking for a new job a year or two after? Did employers consider you a "junior" still? Did you apply to junior jobs still?

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    Should I speak up about a horrendous coworker who wants to come onboard at my new job?

    Posted: 19 Apr 2019 09:08 AM PDT

    Hi folks!

    Ive been with my current company for 1.5 years. I learned so much on this job but now it has gotten to the point of diminishing returns and I am ready to move on.

    It just so happens that new company is opening in my town and is actively hiring. I am fortunate to have snagged a position there that pays quite a bit more and has better benefits. I handed in my notice and will be starting there in 2 weeks.

    Just yesterday I heard through the grapevine that my coworker E is also interviewing there and is likely to get that job.

    E has been at my company for 6 years and now has supervisory authority over some aspects. E is one of the worst human beings I've ever had the misfortune to meet. He lets that bit of managerial power get to his head is always nitpicking, rank pulling and power tripping. Throughout the company he has reputation of being lazy, messy, abusive toward new hires, and being an thoroughly unlikeable piece of trash. But he is still employed there because he can smooch and be charming in short bursts and he hasn't committed any unforgivable errors. Whoever has to collaborate with him always feel very demoralized afterwards. an count single handedly the worst days I had at work, and he has had a part in all 3 of them.

    Even though he has a good chance of getting hired at this new company, the chances that we will be working in proximity of each other is low.

    Should I mention his unprofessional work ethics and abusive personalities to the new hiring managers? Will that backfire and put me on the new managers shitlist?

    TL:DR found out a shitty coworker is applying to the same company that I just got hired at, should I speak up to new managers about his horrendous work ethics and personalities in the hopes of preventing him from getting hired?

    Thanks folks!

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    Best site to do salary research?

    Posted: 19 Apr 2019 04:31 PM PDT

    I've gotten a job offer for a position as an application architect, but waiting on the base salary figure, apparently that's still pending final approval. Other than making sure it's paying more than my current salary, I want some idea if it the number they give me is in line for market rates for where I live. What site will give me the best idea on what the going rate is for an application architect?

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    Leaving during busy times?

    Posted: 19 Apr 2019 06:00 PM PDT

    For several valid reasons, I'd like to leave my current position and am somewhere in the interview process with a few other companies.

    Problem is, my team has just taken on a bunch of new projects. We're already understaffed as it is, and one person has just begun extended PTO (for valid reasons) - I can't just up and leave now, can I?

    Wondering if anyone else has been in this situation. Suppose I should stick around and see all the work through, it's the "nice" thing to at least, but how would I explain this to other companies - would they understand or even care?

    My team's new projects will take us at least through the end of 2019, and I'd like to leave before that given an opportunity elsewhere, but how should I "time" my departure?

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    Is C# a good technology to get into?

    Posted: 19 Apr 2019 03:20 AM PDT

    My graduate job involves C#, Sharepoint, Dynamics, Azure and Qlikview.

    I do a bit of vue and node express work in my own time, but is the above skill set in demand?

    I'm looking to get into contracting in the next 5 years and wanted to know if the tech stack is good as I've done java Burt never c#

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    Reddit, help me decide between 2 offers

    Posted: 19 Apr 2019 05:48 PM PDT

    TLDR: 2 companies, similar benefits, same city. My goal is to make it into a big N company by next year, so I'd only be at either company for <1 year.

    Company A: Large bank, 96k. Enterprise Java work.

    Company B: Tech consulting, 81k. Very high reviews on Glassdoor & friend learned alot her first year regarding Dev ops & software development.

    To be real, my resume is trash- I applied to big N and got rejected without an online screening. I want to work hard this next year, grow as an engineer & beef up my resume- Company B would be a home run for this. But 15k is hard to turn down.

    I have to make a decision by next week and I'm stressed af. What's your thoughts?

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    At what point am I “literate” in a language?

    Posted: 19 Apr 2019 02:32 PM PDT

    If I wanted to write about my experience with Java for example, at what point would I be able to say that Im "literate" in the language? Is it when I've written a few programs and can show proof, or just when I understand the core fundamentals.

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    Have you Guys ever had to refactor your code?

    Posted: 19 Apr 2019 07:28 PM PDT

    Bit of a background I'm about 5 months into my first job from college. I was originally assigned to a project where the scope was smaller than what it is now. I was to interface with the customer figure our scope,design, and execute. I was just overwhelmed immediately. They needed code immediately, I had deadlines that were only a couple days, scope was changing on a daily basis to the point where I was adding code,removing code, and putting it back in, the customer didn't want me to waste time qualifying code and wanted me to release it immediately as soon as I updated the status of the project. One time I had to re-write the entire code to fulfill the customers need.

    It got to a point where I was just looking at spaghetti on my screen. My manager had to let the customer know that I needed time refactor my code.

    The problem I have is that at this point, people just joke about me writing spaghetti code. I feel like my reputation is completely ruined. I feel like nobody takes me seriously anymore. While refactoring some other people were pulled in and I feel like they constantly talk down to me because of this.

    I can't tell if this is my pride or if my reputation is genuinely ruined as a programmer. On one hand I understand this is a failing on my part when it comes to writing clean code (I don't know how to code or else I would've avoided this issue alltogether), but on the other hand I just feel like this incident will shape how people precieve me as a programmer at this company. To the point where I feel like quitting and finding another job.

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    Counter Offer

    Posted: 19 Apr 2019 07:16 PM PDT

    I'm wrapping up my job hunt and have come out with 5 offers (2 of which I'm choosing between). The first is for a new grad hire program working in technology where my actual job duties will be determined at team assignment a week after my start. Comp would be 68 plus relocation (so roughly 4k maybe) in Fort Worth, TX. The second is with a consultancy firm, working in Indianapolis, where I'd be a data engineer (the other offer would be in the same technical area most likely as that is what I discussed most in my interview but no idea for sure), offer would be mid 70s with an 8k signing bonus. I initially declined the offer (the 70s one) however my recruiter came back at me asking what my tipping point would be to go with them over the other.

    I'm a bit conflicted over what I should say, especially given the circumstances: My family is near the DFW area, I have friends from college in that area. On the other hand, the Indy offer is more $$, a well defined job description rather than a vague "we'll assign you and let you know what you'll be working on later" role and a well recognized company. I'm trying not to let money be my prime factor to consider, but like most, I have student loans that I'd love to get taken care of.

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    Recruiters vs Direct application

    Posted: 19 Apr 2019 06:53 PM PDT

    I'm starting to prep up to apply to new jobs and hoping for an opinion on which jobs to prioritize - those offered directly by a company, or those who go through recruiters?

    My current company got me through a recruiter. I had a lot more contact with recruiters than with individual companies I applied to. However, it felt that the job quality of the recruiters was much lower. Some felt like borderline scams.

    The job I ended up taking ended up being a bit of a joke, which sours me further on recruiters. However, it was my 1st dev job and they were offering a position while other companies were slow-walking me through 3-step interview processes.

    I eventually learned that I had applied to an "Engineer III" job with this 'known' company - having no idea wtf "level 3" meant and made it through 2 interviews - then between interview 2 and interview 3 i got an offer for my current - which ended up being more like a internship in a cardboard box than a real dev job.

    I feel a bit soured on recruiters overall. Did anyone else have this experience?

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    Masters degree worth it with no experience

    Posted: 19 Apr 2019 04:39 PM PDT

    I've been given the chance to a master's degree at my school for no cost. The master's program is very general and I'll be awarded a Master's in Engineering Science with a concentration in CS.

    I will be graduating with my bachelor's in CS and was wondering if it would be worth it to pursue the masters. Or to work for a year and apply to a school with a better Master's program.

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    DevSecOps

    Posted: 19 Apr 2019 05:34 PM PDT

    Anyone here in the DevSecOps industry? I was wondering if you still get to get your hands dirty and do some coding ?

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    C Programmer to C++ Programmer

    Posted: 19 Apr 2019 08:24 PM PDT

    I would like to transition from programming in (non-embedded) C to C++ professionally. I am fairly comfortable with the standard library from developing simple algorithms (leetcode style questions are done in C++). However, I'm not comfortable with the OO side at all because I never had a large emphasis on it in my education (computer engineering not computer science).

    If I wanted to search for a position using C++, could someone recommend what kinds of steps I should take (read a book? take a course? Which book/course?) that are practical for interviewing with a timespan of 3-6 months. I'm kind of overwhelmed because I feel like I have to learn OO design quickly, which seems unrealistic. I feel like there is a huge gap in my knowledge.

    I have 2.5 years of experience programming in C/Python outside of college, from a computer engineering degree. I feel very comfortable with functional programming design.

    Thank you for any help.

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    Currently interning as QA, internship will expire when I graduate; what should be my current goals?

    Posted: 19 Apr 2019 04:25 PM PDT

    I'm really confused as to what I should do right now. A few months ago, I got lucky and got hired for an internship position that was described online as "software engineering". When I got to the interview phase, I was told the job entailed testing automation and QA. Since I hadn't had any luck with other internships, I went ahead and accepted the job.

    Now that I'm here, I'm starting to realise I might enjoy QA as a full time position instead of development since I never really liked coding and building my own projects from scratch. Plus, I reason that with my QA internship experience, it'll be much easier to get a job that's related.

    Unfortunately, while the company I'm at right now does hire interns to full time positions, it's very rare of them to do so. I'd have to be really good as an intern to be hired full time and I'm just mediocre.

    The internship remains until I'm no longer a student, in which case they require that you leave the company. That means I basically have this internship until the end of December, which is when I graduate.

    I'm so confused! What should be my plan now? Should I apply for QA positions right around the fall? Apply for a different internship? Apply for QA positions but only when I graduate? Don't do QA altogether?

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    What does "10K stock options" mean as part of a compensation package?

    Posted: 18 Apr 2019 11:19 PM PDT

    I recently received a verbal offer which included "$10,000 stock options". I'm not sure exactly what this means. My understanding of a stock option is that it gives you the right to purchase a share of stock at a set price regardless of the price it is trading at. The company is a pre-IPO unicorn which seems likely to IPO in the next 2 years. Will I receive options to purchase a chunk of stock for 10K less than the value at IPO? Will I be able to buy $10,000 in options of an unknown IPO price? I'm just not sure what this means.

    Yes, I will clarify with the recruiter to be sure, but I'm hoping there is a common meaning so I can value the offer now as I intend to negotiate the next time I speak to the recruiter.

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    background check?

    Posted: 19 Apr 2019 06:45 PM PDT

    Do i put ongoing education on my upcoming background check. I have a bachelors, however, my masters is incomplete. Should i omit the incomplete masters on the background check. The job only requires a bachelors degree, so would it be fine for me to omit the masters? HireRight is doing the background check

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    Cities with the Highest take-home?

    Posted: 19 Apr 2019 06:09 PM PDT

    Hello. I'm going to enter University soon for computer science. I'd like to know what places in the US have the highest take-home after rent and taxes for a programming job (not exactly sure what kind yet).

    I looked at a lot of questions around here and found places like Austin, Atlanta, Seattle, Chicago, New York, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Portland, Boston, DC, and there were some people really pro Pittsburgh.

    So right now, I'm pretty close to Atlanta.

    I like the weather on the west coast in san francisco/jose. I'd like to go hiking sometimes.

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    Is majoring in math a good way to get into a career as a Data Scientist?

    Posted: 19 Apr 2019 05:33 PM PDT

    I was originally wanting to major in Statistics but my school doesn't offer a Statistics major, only a minor. I was thinking about majoring in math instead and getting a minor in statistics or possibly computer science and then going to grad school and getting a masters in CS. Would this be a good path to get me a future job as a data scientist?

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    Denver area and self taught. Not sure where to go/do and what I can apply for. Some advice please?

    Posted: 19 Apr 2019 01:46 PM PDT

    So here's my deal. I got my BA back in December'18(Economics). Since then I've been learning how to program, using some roadmaps I made from others reddit post(pdf of what they look like https://gofile.io/?c=c6hGdn), and learning languages for projects(Python, Swift, C++, HTML/CSS/JS, and etc.

    So far I have a webpage that uses css and JS scripts and am working on a unity/C# game. For learning I'm working on understand algorithms, sorting styles, and implementing them into code.

    I feel like in the last month I've gotten to a point where I can actually making projects but I'm struggling to figure out what I can put in portfolio. I haven't found many junior dev jobs in my area aside from a bunch Revature stuff. Ideally I'd want to create some sort of thing that uses a lot of the concepts from the roadmap. After making the game in unity I was thinking about making something related to it in iOS.

    The jobs I do see almost ask for sql experience, but pretty much everywhere I look people say they learned it on the job.

    I really want to avoid going back to school again unless absolutely necessary.

    What should I do and how do I know when I'm ready to actually apply for stuff? I'm on mobile atm so sorry if this is a little muddled but I'll be around to add more details.

    Edit: Also plus OSSU.firebaseapp.com be a good option?

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    How do you get noticed for jobs in areas far removed from your past experience?

    Posted: 19 Apr 2019 05:30 PM PDT

    So I've been working as a backend engineer. Say I wanted a job as an engineer in test, or front end, or data engineer, etc

    My past experience does nothing for these, but I don't mind "starting over" i guess, to get an entry level position in these new areas. still seems like i get no positive responses unless i stick to the areas I was already working in

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