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    DEAR PROFESSIONAL COMPUTER TOUCHERS -- FRIDAY RANT THREAD FOR November 09, 2018 CS Career Questions


    DEAR PROFESSIONAL COMPUTER TOUCHERS -- FRIDAY RANT THREAD FOR November 09, 2018

    Posted: 08 Nov 2018 11:07 PM PST

    AND NOW FOR SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

    THE BUILDS I LOVE, THE SCRIPTS I DROP, TO BE PART OF, THE APP, CAN'T STOP

    THIS IS THE RANT THREAD. IT IS FOR RANTS.

    CAPS LOCK ON, DOWNVOTES OFF, FEEL FREE TO BREAK RULE 2 IF SOMEONE LIKES SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T BUT IF YOU POST SOME RACIST/HOMOPHOBIC/SEXIST BULLSHIT IT'LL BE GONE FASTER THAN A NEW MESSAGING APP AT GOOGLE.

    (RANTING BEGINS AT MIDNIGHT EVERY FRIDAY, BEST COAST TIME. PREVIOUS FRIDAY RANT THREADS CAN BE FOUND HERE.)

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    Daily Chat Thread - November 09, 2018

    Posted: 08 Nov 2018 11:07 PM PST

    Please use this thread to chat, have casual discussions, and ask casual questions. Moderation will be light, but don't be a jerk.

    This thread is posted every day at midnight PST. Previous Daily Chat Threads can be found here.

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    Anyone starting to forget all your unused CS education after getting first job?

    Posted: 09 Nov 2018 08:49 AM PST

    I got my first software development job right after graduating college. I aced the interview, which was heavy in data structures, design pattern implementations, multithreading questions and difficult algorithm problems.

    However, since being in this job, I have not once had to flex my deep software knowledge that got me the job in the first place. That's not to say there are not tricky problems I encounter every day- it's that those problems are largely proprietary issues and the technical solution to them is not all that difficult. Never seen a real-world sorting algorithm issue, don't need to remember the multithreading implementation for singletons, etc. etc. etc.

    I'm worried because I'm starting to forget everything employers seem to look for in an interview candidate. That either shows that my job is abnormally light on the coding aspect, or coding interviews are a bit silly by asking questions you will never actually encounter in the job. Anyone else experience this? How do you handle it? What about future interviews?

    TLDR: Got first job, turns out it's not that hard. Forgetting all the college CS crap I used to get the job in the first place.

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    Reading this sub from outside of USA is... depressing

    Posted: 08 Nov 2018 09:07 PM PST

    I read a bunch of posts about people getting offers around 70k-100k$ after graduation... meanwhile in most of Europe you would be considered lucky if you made 35k$ before taxes, maybe 45k$ at best after 5 years. Salaried pay for engineers/dev is a bit flat, you have to go to management and have seniority to break the glass ceiling.

    And that's Western Europe. And no, life is not that cheap, your car, your phone costs the same no matter the country. I know skilled devs in Eastern Europe who make like 800$ a month. The pay in this industry feels very unbalanced for work that by definition can cross borders easily (remote work, etc).

    edit : from the difference of salaries I think it part of the reason why the biggest successful IT companies are concentrated in USA. Most top tier engineers move there if they can, and local companies complain they can't find devs but won't raise salaries

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    CS people from 3rd world countries, how much do you make per month?

    Posted: 09 Nov 2018 06:57 AM PST

    Here in Morocco it's the equivalent of roughly $800/month for a junior software engineer.

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    Devops vs. Software Engineering?

    Posted: 09 Nov 2018 01:14 PM PST

    I worked as a software engineering intern over the summer, where I got to work with several devops engineers and I really found their work fascinating. Ideally, I would like to apply for software engineering and devops jobs side by side, but I do not have devops experience.

    Since this subreddit seems to focus on software engineering, how is getting an entry level devops job without a devops internship? Is the market for devops less competitive than for software engineers? I honestly would like to work either job since they interest me, but I am hoping to stay around my current city.

    Edit: Also, how does devops feel about non-CS majors? I got a SWE internship as a physics major.

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    Can we talk about eye strain?

    Posted: 09 Nov 2018 08:50 AM PST

    As far as health risks go in CS, there isn't many to speak of. But eye strain and migraines from looking at a computer screen all day long are some of them. It's not only something which can impact performance, but also something which can keep you away from work and in turn negatively affect your career.

    What are you guys doing to mitigate this? Are you using computer glasses such as Gunnars? Monitor filters?

    Does anyone use e-ink/e-paper displays? I've seen some large 32-42 inch high-resolution ones costing 3-5k, are they good enough to work on? Or is the technology still unsuitable for programming uses? Will it be suitable in the future?

    Are there other alternatives? Does having a private office with reduced lighting help?

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    What skills does "Must demonstrate strong understanding of key Java principles" imply?

    Posted: 09 Nov 2018 01:19 PM PST

    A little background - I am currently hunting entry level jobs and have cleared the Hackerrank for a financial firm. The position is Java Developer.

    Now the caveat is that Java is actually not my first language. I cleared the OA because it allowed C++. Now that I have an interview, I will likely be getting grilled on Java.

    I don't have 0 knowledge of Java, and I have done Java projects in the past. Even several large ones involving socket programming and other Java EE stuff. But I forgot most of it now. If I get a task in Java, I can do it by Googling stuff and context switching from C++. I feel like some of the OO concepts are transferrable between C++ and Java.

    But I would probably struggle on basic/key Java questions. I have 2 questions -

    • The job description mentions "must demonstrate a strong understanding of key Java principles" - can someone list these out for me? So I can study them before my interview. It shouldn't be impossible since I do know bits and pieces, but it's a challenge because I have only 4 days upto the interview.

    • Can you recommend any online resources for covering Java key principles? Something to go over in 10-15 hours?

    I really need to crack this interview, and I know the employer is impressed with me so far.

    Thanks in advance!

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    Business Professional Dress Code

    Posted: 09 Nov 2018 04:48 PM PST

    I have an on-site interview coming up soon, and they say they recommend business professional dress.

    I don't have my suit with me right now, so here are my options at the moment:

    1) Black pants, white collar shirt, tie. Essentially the whole suit, but without the jacket. 2) Tuxedo (I would wear a normal collared shirt and tie, not a bowtie with it)

    I'm thinking of going with option 1 for this, is it alright to not have the suit jacket? Should I ask a friend to see if I can borrow a suit jacket for the weekend?

    Edit: some extra context:

    When I say I don't have my suit with me, I mean it's multiple states away (Midwest states, not New England states).

    The tux is black, and really the only difference from my suit is that the collar has a sheen to it instead of the usual matte texture

    Also, I can't go to the building ahead of time because it is also multiple states away. Although, I did meet with some college alumni at an event for the company, who have worked there for several years, and none of them were wearing suit jackets.

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    Company won’t guarantee my role as developer. Is this normal?

    Posted: 09 Nov 2018 04:19 PM PST

    This is a well known fortune 200 company in the US.

    They gave me my offer letter and stated that I could either end up being a tester or developer depending on business needs closer to my start date, no negotiation. I am 100% set on being a developer. Is this normal for a company to do? What should I do?

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    Given an internship offer deadline of 1 week - any possibility to extend?

    Posted: 09 Nov 2018 02:17 PM PST

    I got a call from a big startup in SF and they told me I have exactly 1 week to decide (it was kind of awkward, I said I had other interviews to wrap up and the recruiter was like "Cool, that doesn't matter, you have a week."). I have interviews with 3 companies that I would take over this one; I e-mailed all asking to expedite and one already said they might not be able to accommodate, and asked if I could get an extension. How exactly do I get an extension here? Am I just SOL and I should accept the offer?

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    Employer wants to lower pay?

    Posted: 09 Nov 2018 02:42 PM PST

    xpost from ITCareerQuestions...

    Hey all - I posted on here earlier about my boss being very blunt with me.

    Today I found out why.

    I'm 90 days into a role working for a company remotely.

    I had a meeting today with the boss and I wasn't shitcanned but I was told that I'm not at the level that they thought I was at. I kind of knew the job was over my head early on, but I was determined to power through and learn.

    I was told that I'm a great employee but at my current abilities that I could not be paid the salary I was hired at and they would need to hire another engineer above my level. I make 125k and was offered 110 or to look somewhere else. My boss made it clear that he didn't want to see me leave.

    I'm not sure how to deal with this or what to think...

    On one hand I know I'm a little in over my head and I am learning gobs every week with this company. In a way I succeeded. Around a year ago I set out to learn DevOps and achieve a remote role in it. I did that. I have only my associate's and a few certs, never finished my bachelor's. I've always believe in the power of hardwork, determination and ability to get the job done. I am honestly probably overpaid. At least I didn't get fired...I am still making a very good salary for where I live and my age, etc.

    On the other hand, fuck them. This is completely demotivating and makes me feel like a failure. They should have evaluated me better early on and I'm being punished for their lack of due diligence. No one buy's a house, forgoes an inspection and complains that the roof is in shambles.

    I'm very mixed right now...I can't expect this to not effect how I feel.

    What would you do?

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    Am I the only one who is tired of recruiters?

    Posted: 09 Nov 2018 08:46 AM PST

    I dont mean for this to be a bitchy post but it is.

    Naturally a lot of the hiring process is done by recruiters, and as someone who has gone through internships in the past and seeking full time employment (lots of applications), I just wonder if its an industry standard to be unorganized?

    1) For full time employees with some experience AND even people with little experience its pretty common to be spammed with mass applications saying "youre a great fit blah blah blah". Turns out they are looking for 5 years of experience yet blasting it to entry level grads

    2) Their follow up is god-awful. You have to hound them down

    3) Hiring managers I speak to are providing more information about the benefits, the recruitment process, (for interns) than recruiters are.

    4) Seems like now days they are using mass filters for resumes aka technology to do their jobs for them.

    Do we really need them to be as prevalent in the hiring space?

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    Is Smoothstack a "Revature-esque" scam?

    Posted: 09 Nov 2018 03:32 PM PST

    I recently applied via Indeed to a posting made by Smoothstack and was contacted via a phone-call by them shortly thereafter. Talking to them gave me the same red flags that I saw when Revature tried to scalp me right out of college. Does anyone have any experience with this company? I have found almost no info about them on glassdoor or elsewhere online so any advice is greatly appreciated.

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    How well-known is RIT?

    Posted: 09 Nov 2018 11:40 AM PST

    How well-known is Rochester Institute of Technology in CS especially in the NYC area? Im currently attending a CUNY and got accepted as a transfers for their SE major. How much worth it is their co-op program?

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    Yext 2019 Internship

    Posted: 09 Nov 2018 04:10 PM PST

    I have a phone interview scheduled with Yext in the next two weeks and I was wondering what I could expect question-wise for the software engineering internship program. Thanks!

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    Leaving a job

    Posted: 09 Nov 2018 06:16 PM PST

    When is the earliest you can leave your first dev job without looking bad on your resume? 6 months? 1 year? 2 years?

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    Experience in interning in Tencent or Alibaba?

    Posted: 09 Nov 2018 05:25 PM PST

    Hello does anyone have experience interning at Tencent or Alibaba? If so could you share you experience and your pay as I am considering interning in china over the US this summer.

    Thanks

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    Ghosting

    Posted: 09 Nov 2018 02:49 PM PST

    Hey folks. I've been looking for a new job for the past year now and I've had a few phone interviews and one in person. I've had three times in the past few months where after having a screening and phone interview the recruiter says the team is interested in setting up an in person interview and ask me for my availability, and then ghost me. This week was the third time this has happened after having a phone interview with a really good company.

    How normal is this? I can't keep taking taking time off and studying for these interviews that go nowhere. After I respond to the email I wait a few days and then send a follow up email, and then after a few more days I usually call but they never get back to me.

    I haven't seen too many people with a problem like this and was wondering if there is something I'm doing wrong.

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    is low starting salary really that bad for the long term?

    Posted: 08 Nov 2018 11:17 PM PST

    I received an offer from a start-up I was interning at and its pretty low, ~60k for NYC. I really like this company and I think its a good place to start but my buddy is telling me that I need to find a job at the ~80-100k+ range since that'll set me up for high earnings in the future.

    I always thought there was a base level salary for each company. Say I want to join a larger company in the future, if their base salary is say 100k, does it matter whether I come from 60k or 80k?

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    Being asked to lead a project and I feel woefully unprepared

    Posted: 09 Nov 2018 07:33 PM PST

    So I've been a programmer for 6 years. I was in a middling job that went nowhere for the first two years. Then for two years, I worked back to back jobs that were stressful I had to quit because of mental health issues. I consider those two years a waste of time. I learned nothing, and they didn't help my career. Then I started my current job that I've been at for 2 years. It is a tiny team in a big company, so it's low stress and I have a manager who is good at mentoring employees and there's good work life balance.

    I've since got diagnosed correctly and am in therapy. I didn't angle for a promotion until a few months ago because I wasn't confident and finishing some projects has helped me greatly. I've also mentored a new employee. I feel more confident as a more senior member of the team now, and feel like maybe I should be moving towards a Lead position.

    So now there's some restructuring and I've been put in charge of transitioning a project from a remote team to mine (and then managing it). The tech stack is different and not documented well. However, I'm the most qualified person to work on it in the team, so it makes sense that I'm the one on.

    I'll be the only one traveling to meet that team and learn about their software, document it and transition it. This scares me because I've never been given this level of responsibility. I'm also not that great at asking questions and I'm not very decisive unless it pertains only to me.

    How should I prepare for this? What should I keep in mind? How do I come out of this with a promotion?

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    UPS Summer Internship

    Posted: 09 Nov 2018 03:46 PM PST

    Hey guys, have any of you worked at UPS summer IT internship. The HR person mentioned many teams that are available like App Development, Data Science, Systems.. etc. but I was leaning towards the data science and analytics team.

    I have heard some bad and good experiences. Will this opportunity provide me with good career development and the skills I need for future top employees.

    Any other insights welcomed! Thank you

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    CS freshman in first year at community college, anxious about career, what should I be doing to maximize success in the next 4 years?

    Posted: 09 Nov 2018 07:24 PM PST

    I'm currently a freshman at a community college, CS major, and I'm constantly anxious about my future in the field. I've been passionate about CS for the last 5 years of my life or so and have taken classes in high school, so I definitely know comp sci is the field for me. However, I see all these internships and people doing multiple internships and still having difficulty finding a job after college, so my question is what should I be doing in the following 2 years (before I transfer to a 4 year university) and in those 2 years? I want to maximize my chances of finding success in the field, by finding a job ASAP (both currently and after earning my degree)

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    Total Compensation for AI/ML/DL Scientists and Research Scientists in Silicon Valley

    Posted: 09 Nov 2018 07:18 PM PST

    Name says it all!

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    Am I completely out of touch, or is this position asking for a LOT for $48k?

    Posted: 09 Nov 2018 07:14 PM PST

    This is the job listing. The location is near Orlando, Florida: https://i.imgur.com/Sougp7d.png

    The position sounds like a combination of Software Developer, BI Developer, and Business Analyst all rolled into one. Essentially they want:

    • Very strong math skills (Ability to apply mathematical operations to such tasks as frequency distribution, determination of test reliability and validity, analysis of variance, correlation techniques, sampling theory and factor analysis.)
    • Experience in Microsoft and Oracle databses
    • 'Moderate to extensive' knowledge of MS Access
    • Experience programming with Visual Basic, VBA, and Java
    • Experience in Tableau
    • Expertise in Excel

    Plus a couple other things. If I read this job listing without seeing the salary I would assume it paid $80,000+. Am I completely out of touch or are they?

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    Have to drop out... How to go about getting a job with internship experience and no degree?

    Posted: 09 Nov 2018 10:24 AM PST

    I have to drop out due to shitty circumstances that piled up on top of each other. The thing is, I am in my 5th year of undergrad, so very close to finishing and have completed all CS coursework required but can't finish up. I go to a top 20ish university.

    My issue is, how do I go about getting a job and representing this on my rèšümé. I have decent internships, including a Big 4 on my resume, but am worried about getting interviews. I don't care if I am not getting paid 100k+, I just need to find something where I can earn a livable wage and pay off my loans.

    Do I include that I've completed 4 years but dropped out? Do I exclude my education altogether and just include my internships?

    Anyone here who had to deal with a similar situation? What did you end up doing?

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    Optimal Career Exploration?

    Posted: 09 Nov 2018 07:06 PM PST

    Hi everyone!

    I have an ordered list of ~ten companies I want to work at in ML and AI.

    What's your advice on optimizing the order I apply and interview?

    Starting from bottom to top means I can practice but potentially a longer process.

    Starting from top to bottom means I can go and get my ideal fit as quickly as possible, but with less practice.

    I like my current job quite a lot except for pay, so no immediate need to move, and might end up staying.

    What's your advice or experiences?

    Thanks!

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