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    DEAR PROFESSIONAL COMPUTER TOUCHERS -- FRIDAY RANT THREAD FOR May 04, 2018 CS Career Questions


    DEAR PROFESSIONAL COMPUTER TOUCHERS -- FRIDAY RANT THREAD FOR May 04, 2018

    Posted: 04 May 2018 12:08 AM PDT

    AND NOW FOR SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

    THE BUILDS I LOVE, THE SCRIPTS I DROP, TO BE PART OF, THE APP, CAN'T STOP

    THIS IS THE RANT THREAD. IT IS FOR RANTS.

    CAPS LOCK ON, DOWNVOTES OFF, FEEL FREE TO BREAK RULE 2 IF SOMEONE LIKES SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T BUT IF YOU POST SOME RACIST/HOMOPHOBIC/SEXIST BULLSHIT IT'LL BE GONE FASTER THAN A NEW MESSAGING APP AT GOOGLE.

    (RANTING BEGINS AT MIDNIGHT EVERY FRIDAY, BEST COAST TIME. PREVIOUS FRIDAY RANT THREADS CAN BE FOUND HERE.)

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    Daily Chat Thread - May 04, 2018

    Posted: 04 May 2018 12:09 AM PDT

    Please use this thread to chat, have casual discussions, and ask casual questions. Moderation will be light, but don't be a jerk.

    This thread is posted every day at midnight PST. Previous Daily Chat Threads can be found here.

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    I'm not interested in anything anymore

    Posted: 04 May 2018 07:29 AM PDT

    Sorry, I'm a little messed up and want to know if anybody has been in this situation before:

    so I started my first real job in a fortune 100 corporation exactly one year ago. At the beginning I struggled a bit, especially because I switched from embedded systems to financial and I was not really interested. But it was okay so far, I did my job and everyone was happy, except me.

    Actually, my ratings are as good as my company allows, my english improved a lot (at least I hope, you decide) and my boss send me to two events for juniors to build their career. I met an engineer with years of experience there who volunteered to mentor my careersteps from now on, but actually I'm not interested in having a career.

    The thing is, I became so agonizingly unhappy over the last year. This might sound very stupid, but I absolutely hate my job. But I can't make anyone or anything responible for it. My team and management does a remarkable job, I even like the corporation in some way (usually I don't like if they get too big).

    During that year I developed a high blood pressure, I have panic attacks out of nowhere on a regular basis (in office and free time, about two times a month) and a metabolic disorder. I have headaches most days of a week. I do nothing when I get home from work, because I don't enjoy anything. When riding my bike I feel worse than before, running doesn't help. Playing tabletennis it the new towns clubs just annoys me. During university I enjoyed video games, but when I start one today I just quit after 2-5 Minutes and do nothing. Stare at my desktop or something, because surfing the internet also triggers me most of the time.

    I avoid my family and don't enjoy seeing my friends anymore. Actually when we are out I leave early because I'm tired and don't want to talk to people. I feel super uncomfortable when I'm with people from "my old life". Also a vacation didn't help. I've been to prague which was my dream for years but didn't work out, but my emotions there were just like "okay, this is also a nice city. I still feel like shit".

    So, actually I thought maybe the new city, the job and me just don't fit. Not bad, but could be worse. So I started searching for other jobs, maybe in embedded systems again (because I remember me being much happier when doing this). No chance. It's not that I don't get a job, I dont eveny apply for one because I don't give a shit. I also looked for other careers, but I'm not interested in anything.

    I'm stuck and helpless right now. I feel paralyzed. This is a longer process which started maybe even before I got the new job, don't really know. Currently I'm thinking about if this could be some kind of depression and reach out for professional help?

    Funny enough I don't even know why I write this post. I don't even have a real question for you. I'm just bored and feel like shit. So feel free to downvote me for wasting your time :/.

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    [UPDATE] Struggling immensely at new job, feel as if I misrepresented myself

    Posted: 04 May 2018 04:41 PM PDT

    My original thread can be viewed here

    TLDR of previous thread: I have several years of experience on paper but in reality am no better than a fresh graduate. I bullshitted/conned my way into a mid level engineer position and have been in the process of being exposed due to a complete lack of production on my part.

    UPDATE After reading the responses to that thread, I weighed my options. Leetcode junk was still fresh in my mind, as well as all of the interviewing talking points I had previously. I began to both study leetcode and aggressively apply to other companies (Both just under B4 level and B4), and while I received a few auto rejections I did land a Senior position at a rather desirable company in Seattle that has been in the news lately (not B4). The title is surely not in line with many other companies after looking at the Linked in profiles of some other engineers at the company that were considered Senior and still in their twenties.

    The interview consisted of two leetcode questions (1 medium, and 1 hard both in what I would consider my strongest domain of problems) followed by a long discussion regarding designing the application that is the company's main product. The interview was done in a group setting (the company had an interview event, so it is likely they were all shorter/less thorough than their standard interviews). My total compensation is higher than I have ever believed it would be, hell my base salary is higher than I ever thought it would be, and I was making good money before.

    As far as my position at my current company? I haven't done anything since that post, I decided to focus my time and energy on grinding leetcode/applying, and it has paid off. I am on thin ice and the tension in the office is palpable. There is no doubt in my mind I will be laid off soon, and am surprised it has not happened yet.

    See you all next time, when I am in the same position a few months from now with my new employer. Till then, I have quite a few toy apps to make and design books to read and hope I can keep the facade up.

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    Renege a week before starting internship for an IBM offer?

    Posted: 04 May 2018 03:18 PM PDT

    I have been offered an internship two months ago from a medium-small company in the health care sector. Just a week ago I was reached out to apply for an IBM internship, I applied not thinking much of it and I ended up getting an interview + offer shortly after.

    I go to a no name state college and my goal is to land an internship at a big-n next summer. I feel really bad about reneging but having IBM on my resume will make the getting interviews at big N much easier, right? HELP!

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    How many of you people able to keep your job contained within 9-5?

    Posted: 04 May 2018 04:24 PM PDT

    My job as a software engineer has thoroughly bled into the rest of my life. Every sprint feels like a nightmare and I regularly have to take my laptop home to catch up on the nights and weekends. So far I've been able to deliver, but it's cost me almost all my free time. It's mostly my fault though, my ability to focus for lengthy periods of time is really bad. Even if I'm not actively distracting myself, my mind wanders. I think my job could technically be kept within business hours if I was more like a robot who could just code and respond to emails and go to meetings without getting tired or distracted or having emotional ups and downs, but that's not me in my current state. What to do?

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    What’s the Job Market like for MS CS grads in India?

    Posted: 04 May 2018 02:59 PM PDT

    Indian citizen here.

    I have an year left in my MS CS program, I got interviews at some places in the two years I have been here, some were top companies and some went to the onstage level too, but couldn't get an offer at any place.

    I started applying for fall internships as well since my school has a co-op program. Got rejected by companies that offered interviews last year. I applied to a ton of places on Indeed for the summer as well and got nothing.

    Things have been a little hard here since Trump got elected and companies are not so keen on hiring foreign students even on OPT. Added to the rejections I have been facing, I am a little uncertain now.

    If I don't get a fall internship then I will have to start applying to full time directly without any work experience. That's a little risky. I shall also be applying to jobs in Canada, but I have heard that without a PR and Canadian work experience, I'd probably be lucky to get even one interview there.

    Considering all this I have thought of applying for jobs in India as well. Since I have no loans , and if it come to the worst i.e I don't get any offers after my degree + the 3 months that's allowed on OPT unemployment, having an offer in India and coming back seems to be a safe option.

    So what's the market like in India for someone with a CS degree from the US and no prior work-ex?

    Thanks.

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    The unemployment rate in the US is at a recent historical low. What does this mean for the employers and unemployed people in CS?

    Posted: 04 May 2018 04:34 PM PDT

    Is it making the job market more competitive? Compared to the early and mid 2000s the hiring bar for programmers just seems to just be going up, especially for entry level programmers. Is this a correlation with low unemployment, or is it more of a contradiction? If you are currently unemployed but have relevant experience, are you even less appealing to an employer at a time of low unemployment?

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    Best way for a senior dev to jump from an "enterprise" tech stack to one that's most likely to get me a well paying remote gig?

    Posted: 04 May 2018 06:43 PM PDT

    Title kind of explains it all. i'm a senior full-stack dev who's been in the "enterprise" and corporate world for almost 20 years now. Been using things like ASP.net w/ C#, SQL, EF, WebApi, AngularJS, Bootstrap, etc. for years because it's what most of the corps out here on the east coast prefer. I try to stay current in the technologies I do use, so I'm not using ancient stuff. Plus I try to stay as current as I can with JS language features, if not necessarily frameworks like React or Vue.

    But it seems like startups, younger companies, and the like who actually hire remote developers, are using more open source stuff like Node, Ruby, Python, etc for their backend stuff, and are heavy into the more trendy front end frameworks.

    I can go ahead and pick a stack I guess and go about learning it, but I won't have years of experience in it like I do with my current stack. There's something to be said about knowing your tools inside and out, and having a deep intuition about it. I lose that once I start learning a new stack, plus I lose the benefit of saying I've been using established tech for many years. I lose the most valuable career strength, experience.

    So say I do go off and make a side project here or there. How do I even convince these companies to even look at my resume when I'm listing 1 year of Node experience, but 10 years of .NET. Seems like I'm going to get passed up for the guy who's been doing it for 3 or 4 years.

    Any advice would be helpful. I've been casting a wide net for remote jobs and getting nowhere. I can get a local job tomorrow if I want, as local recruiters struggle to find good people where I am. But remote is being a hard one to land, and it's what I want the most for a whole other post's worth of reasons.

    p.s. if you're an experienced .net dev, check out southeastern PA. I'm serious, they are aching for good developers around here.

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    2 months into software engineer role only QA tasks

    Posted: 04 May 2018 08:52 AM PDT

    Looking for some advice on if it's too soon to start searching for other jobs. Situation is I started a new job with the position of software engineer. Interview and job posting were all around C# development. However since starting I've not written any code at all besides a few unit tests. Most of my days are spent doing manual testing or writing test cases. The expectation still seems to be that I'll be a developer (still attend dev meetings and do code reviews) in the future. I like the company overall with regard to culture and process and even the code base seems ok but I'm not sure it's worth waiting however long it's going to take to become integrated. Also it's been hinted that I might get some vb.net work on the horizon, which isn't something I really am interested in and also was not mentioned at all in the interview process. Thoughts?

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    Can rejecting a job offer hurt your chances with the company in the future?

    Posted: 04 May 2018 09:19 AM PDT

    Background: I've worked at a couple of top-tier tech companies over the last 5 years. Recently I decided to start exploring options for switching companies again and started to engage with recruiters. Ended up lining up a bunch of phone interviews and now I have invites to go for onsite interviews with a few top-tier tech companies. However, while I was going through all this I ended up deciding that the timing isn't great and I don't want to start a new job for another 6-12 months. That means I can either let the recruiters know now of this decision and not go to onsites, or I can proceed and reject any potential offer I might get later.

    Question: The main question is what rejecting an offer will look like in the future if I want to engage these companies again. I'm asking mainly because I think it will be a good experience to do the onsites, learn more about the companies and their compensation levels (assuming I get an offer). On the other hand, I'm somewhat concerned getting an offer and then rejecting it might look bad in the future and most of these companies are quality companies I'd like to keep as options for the future. Any thoughts on this would be great. Thank you.

    EDIT: using throwaway for the obvious reason of wanting my current employer not becoming aware of all of this.

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    A lot of anxiety thinking of how to quit

    Posted: 04 May 2018 04:18 PM PDT

    Hey all,

    I'm about to leave a small team in a pretty big company who has been pretty nice to me but pretty dependent as well. I have only been on this team for about a year, but have contributed a lot of the code and become pretty knowledgeable on our application (with the help of some team members when I was getting started). Everyone has been pretty friendly and helpful, and I am getting anxiety over how to tell my manager I'm quitting to the extent where I have not been able to enjoy my life these past couple weeks.

    The thought of announcing that I am leaving gives me anxiety and I feel like everyone is going to be mad for spending the time to teach me these things throughout the months I was here and me not staying long enough to contribute a lot more. I am dreading this moment but I have to put in my two weeks notice this Friday. My new company allows me to be closer to family and is paying 30% more which is why I am leaving (my current company is not paying that well). Is this that big of a deal? Everyone on the team has been here for a long time (and talk about how they want to reach this level in X amount of years so thinking really long term) so I'm not sure if they are used to people leaving this early. I know company loyalty is over and job hopping is more common nowadays but I can't shake this feeling of leaving and having them think that I have left them in the dust. How can I calm myself down?

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    My job experiences have mostly been very lonely, and I think it's killing my career.

    Posted: 04 May 2018 02:38 PM PDT

    I graduated from college with a non-STEM degree. Upon graduation I didn't apply to big fortune 500 type corporations since I assumed no company that size will seriously consider a non-STEM graduate such as myself. I took up web development jobs at smaller companies since they're one of the easiest ways for me to get into software development.

    Even before graduation I have already worked in a few web development jobs. No internships. However, all of the jobs I have gotten in software development have been "lonely" for the most part and I think it's stunting my experience. I do not have much real team experience. How do I snap out of this haze and make myself worthy of better jobs?

    The first two jobs were pre-graduation. First job, I worked alongside the company owner, with my desk across from him. The business was that small. Fortunately he does have lots of DBA and programming experience, but this particular business is unrelated to tech. I mainly was put to maintain the company's website.

    The second job was far more hectic. The company was about 50-100 employees and recently acquired by a larger one. But their tech department was really lacking. I was basically thrown into the hornet's nest with nobody to lean on. The only other developer quit on the same day I joined the company.

    My supervisor's job at that company is best described as a journalist/reporter of sorts, mainly seeking out stories and distributing work to writers, and going out for entertainment events and such. He doesn't know anything about coding although I report directly to him. I quit after three months so I could focus on my senior projects and exams.

    Job number three is at a web agency. I stayed for a year and a half. This place was a bit more structured but in the long run it felt like more of the same, a very claustrophobic and lonely experience. Our lead developer works in China (I'm not kidding) and he mostly manages the larger team in India.

    We had a senior .NET developer who was fired without warning. Since then the company became a 100% LAMP stack shop. There was only two local developers besides me, and one of them moved to Project Manager. We had multiple projects but mostly done by one or two people per project. I didn't feel like I learned much other than get quicker at coding WordPress and Joomla websites.

    The next job was short lived. A somewhat larger company with 100 people. I stayed here for three months and I didn't do ANY coding at all, just writing reports and trying to manually spot syntax errors because they DID NOT LET ME RUN THE CODE. Not even in a testing environment. I left that job quickly. Kinda disappointing because it looked like a great company from the outside.

    I returned to the web agency, but as a contract consultant. The company was larger this time, had more web developers and designers. As it seems to be the nature of consulting jobs, though, I was often isolated from others. I worked on the projects others didn't even know existed in their line of clients. I stayed for two years only because I have been trying to get out for a while and took me a year before I got a job offer elsewhere.

    Last and final job was at a startup. This one was better than the other job although still again felt like I should be more up to speed with things. The code was pretty complex I could get things done sometimes, but there wasn't much guidance from the senior developer (who is the company's only other developer) because he lives and works from Eastern Europe. It makes communication very sporadic and you don't get the natural face to face interaction of someone just passing by your desk.

    Every phone screen and interview I get, I fail, and I see what my shortcomings are now. I simply didn't get the experience of working with teams, or learn proper practices. And because of these lonely experiences, I haven't built much of a network of people to make me more appealing to employers.

    Did all these lonely experience fuck me over? Can I fix it still, or start over again? I think I would be most suited to a company that can train and accept developers who have years of experience and understand the basics, but still haven't covered much ground. But I feel like this is a unicorn of jobs, something that is basically impossible to find.

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    Take awesome job with 50% pay cut?

    Posted: 04 May 2018 03:54 PM PDT

    I applied to an open "web developer" position for a small music company and was offered the job. After speaking with much of the team the position is really just for an internal programmer to help with both web development and to work on a lot of internal things relating both to the music company itself and a lot of the artists they work with (I am a big music guy and really like a lot of their artists).

    Job is 100% remote, 40 hours a week, fine benefits, and a salary of 50k. Which is a pretty generous salary in the music industry, and it is clear they don't have the budget to offer me a market rate salary. HOWEVER, I'm making 90k right now and I just don't see how I can justify taking a massive cut for this job. Of course I will negotiate the best I can, but I can't imagine they will come up more than 5k.

    Other positions I'm looking at pay in the range of 85 to 110. How can I justify making 35-60k a year LESS than I would have if I took a typical software job. The 100% remote work sounds fantastic. I could pick up a side hustle (I have a few friends who have startups looking for extra help), I would have a bunch of time and flexibility if I'm working 9-5 with no commute. Overall I would certainly be happier, but 50k happier??

    Please any advice is appreciated

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    Do you guys believe in 'leaving work after your manager'?

    Posted: 04 May 2018 06:02 PM PDT

    I've started my second internship and the interns always try to leave after their managers to impress. I come in before my manager and sometimes leave before him too but Im not too bothered about when I do leave before him. Is this bad? What has your experience been like?

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    How do I transition?

    Posted: 04 May 2018 09:11 AM PDT

    Back in 2010 I took a Web Development course at a college and ended up doing web dev since, with the occasional mobile app here and there. I don't enjoy it at all anymore. I've always had a passion for game development, linux and embedded systems. I've toyed lots with microcontrollers and RTOS, but still don't have any solid 'completed' project. Any time I see job descriptions that looks interesting and think about applying, the impostor syndrome kicks in and I question what I actually know and start doubting my skills. How do I transition smoothly, and not feel foolish when applying for positions I know little about? It probably doesnt help that I've only worked at two different companies

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    Low paying internship

    Posted: 04 May 2018 09:55 AM PDT

    About a week ago I received an offer for a dev internship for only $10 an hour. The company is based in a large city with high COL and is not a small company. I would take the internship, but I also run a retail business that pays more than the internship and if I accept the offer I would have to put the business on hold for a few months. Is it worth taking the pay cut + increase in workload just to put an internship on my resume? I already have a few large personal projects already on my resume. I have a feeling I'm going to be overworked and underpaid

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    Is a SQL Report Writer an appropriate job for a beginner programmer to apply to?

    Posted: 04 May 2018 09:37 AM PDT

    I have been learning python for about 7 months, with one tiny SQL project in my resume (a few hours worth of SQL experience in total :) ). I eventually want to become a software engineer, but saw a SQL job at my local hospital:

    "The SQL Report Writer works in the Information Technology department and is responsible for creating and maintaining custom reports and data extracts for multiple hospital departments, including financial, clinical, quality, and utilization stakeholders.

    Is this an OK thing to apply for as a beginner? Would it pigeonhole me into database work and bog down my move towards a software developer (I realize the SQL is often required knowledge for software developers)?

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    Invisibly including keywords on your res to bypass online filters?

    Posted: 04 May 2018 11:26 AM PDT

    Lets say a job posting requires Ruby and React but you dont know these. Can you include them on your resume and change their color to white so that it becomes invisible on the resume?

    This way, you get past any online filters and can maybe actually get an interview. Then once in an interview, you hopefully wont be asked about these topics because they do not appear on your resume.

    I have heard about people doing this but i am curious about your thoughts. Is there any way they can catch this? I am just a new grad trying to bump up my low interview rate.

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    I have an upcoming "culture call". Help!

    Posted: 04 May 2018 10:26 AM PDT

    I have an interview for an internship in a mobile game company. In the mail they said that it will be a "Culture call" and not a technical interview. They also gave the interviewer's name and his title is "Culture Developer". It is the first time I am hearing about a culture call or a culture developer. Can anyone help me out? What should I expect from the call?

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    New grad - What do I do if I end up disliking working as a dev/programmer?

    Posted: 04 May 2018 07:49 PM PDT

    I'm about to graduate with a degree in Mathematics, and I have enough programming knowledge from school that I could potentially work as a dev/programmer. I need to start looking for a job, and most of the specific skillsets I acquired are in CS (outside of general "mathematical background"). I do enjoy programming, but it's mostly just me building stuff on my own/what I want to make.

    Say I find a job as a dev/programmer. What should I expect to do as a new grad hire? Many of my friends/colleagues say that you end up being a "code monkey" for a bit, which I'm not too fond of but is something I understand I need to go through with 0 experience. I fear is that, after going through the "code monkey" period (if it even exists, that is), and I end up disliking this profession even at a higher level of experience - what options are there for me?

    I know that it ultimately comes down to what my passion/interests are, but obviously transitioning from CS to something humanities-related is a lot different than from transitioning from CS to an actuary or something (just examples off the top of my head).

    For those who maybe went through a similar situation, what did you do/should I do if I end up disliking this profession to the point I don't want to work as one anymore? Any advice would be great. Thank you.

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    Tier 2 Visas to the UK through work?

    Posted: 04 May 2018 07:30 PM PDT

    Hey guys,

    Have any of you working on the US been able to acquire an Intra-company Transfers Tier 2 visa to work in the UK?

    I'm looking to relocate there and assume my best option for a visa without getting married is to find a job at a company who offers them.

    Would love to hear if anyone has any or knows anyone who has had this experience in the CS Field

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    Revature

    Posted: 04 May 2018 07:07 PM PDT

    What kind of salary can I expect from working worth Revature?

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    Referrals from non-tech employees?

    Posted: 04 May 2018 06:33 PM PDT

    How does it work and will it still be considered valid if someone who works at a big-N (or related/similar) company as a non-tech employee refers someone who wants to be a software engineer there?

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    Academic Suspension from Ivy. Bootcamp and job for coming year?

    Posted: 04 May 2018 06:31 PM PDT

    So I'm likely to get a year long academic suspension from my Ivy League school once my finals (Mechanical Engineering) get graded. I missed it by one class, probably. I won't bore you with all the details but I had difficulties the last two semesters due to mental illness and that affected my grades. It sucks because I finally started seeing a therapist in Feb/March and it's been a world of difference. Still my grades weren't able to recover in all my classes.

    I've been a bit frantic on what to do for the coming year. I'm about to finish my junior year so I'm gonna have to wait a year for my senior year. I thought about traveling or volunteering but I want something that I can put on my resume because my gpa has been very hurt by all this.

    My desired career is quant trading. I've had a few interviews but I keep messing up the coding sections. I've been thinking this year might not have to be a total waste and I can go to a NY bootcamp. This will hopefully be useful when I get back to school and start applying again.

    I was thinking if I do a bootcamp this summer and then try to get a programming job for the coming year. I know I won't be doing quant trading but I really do what to be a better programmer. I also wouldn't mind spending a few months on the west coast (please tell me if anything is unreasonable here. I know I'm not completely informed yet but I will do much more research). Do you guys think this is doable? I know they don't have the best placements but if it's a decent opportunity I might take it.

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