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    Big 4 Discussion - May 30, 2018 CS Career Questions


    Big 4 Discussion - May 30, 2018

    Posted: 30 May 2018 12:07 AM PDT

    Please use this thread to have discussions about the Big 4 and questions related to the Big 4, such as which one offers the best doggy benefits, or how many companies are in the Big 4 really? Posts focusing solely on Big 4 created outside of this thread will probably be removed.

    Abide by the rules, don't be a jerk.

    This thread is posted each Sunday and Wednesday at midnight PST. Previous Big 4 Discussion threads can be found here.

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    Daily Chat Thread - May 30, 2018

    Posted: 30 May 2018 12:07 AM PDT

    Please use this thread to chat, have casual discussions, and ask casual questions. Moderation will be light, but don't be a jerk.

    This thread is posted every day at midnight PST. Previous Daily Chat Threads can be found here.

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    We’re Reddit engineers here to answer your questions on CS careers and coding bootcamps!

    Posted: 30 May 2018 10:00 AM PDT

    We are three Reddit engineers that all have first-hand experience – either as a graduate or a mentor – with a Bay Area bootcamp called Hackbright Academy. For those of you who are unfamiliar, Hackbright is an engineering school for women in the Bay Area with the mission to change the ratio of women in tech.

    Reddit and Hackbright have a close relationship, with six current Hackbright alumnae and seven mentors on staff. In fact, u/spez is one of the most frequent mentors for the program. We also recently launched the Code Reddit Fund to provide scholarship and greater access for women to attend Hackbright's bootcamp programs and become software engineers.

    We're here to share our experience, and answer all your questions on CS careers, bootcamps, mentorship, and more. But first, a little more about us:

    u/SingShredCode: Before studying at Hackbright, I worked as a musician and educator at a Jewish non-profit in Jackson, MS. Middle East Studies degree in hand, I wanted to look at interesting problems from lots of perspectives and develop creative solutions with people smarter than myself. After graduating from Hackbright's Prep and Full Time Fellowships, I landed the role of software engineer at Reddit. I will begin mentoring this summer.

    u/gooeyblob: I started mentoring at Hackbright after we hosted a whiteboarding event at Reddit. I really enjoyed being able to help people learn and prepare for careers in tech. As far as my background goes, I started working in tech by working in customer support for web hosts after dropping out of college. I eventually worked my way up to join Reddit as an engineer in 2015, and today I'm Director for Infrastructure and Security where I help lead the teams that build our foundational systems (with two Hackbright grads on the team!).

    u/toasties: I've been a Hackbright mentor over a year, mentoring four women (two of whom have been hired at Reddit!). I went to Dev Bootcamp in 2013; before that I was a waitress. I mentor because there were so many kind people who helped me along my journey to become an engineer (my first employer even let me live in their office for two weeks with my dog because I couldn't afford a deposit on an apartment). I want to pay it forward.

    Proof: https://i.redd.it/o06ce8xnx0111.png

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    Going through an agency cost me my offer?

    Posted: 30 May 2018 07:18 AM PDT

    I was in talks about a new job through a third party website. Me -> Agent -> Company. So I had 3 interviews with a small healthcare company about a Software Dev position. I got all positive feedback from both the agent and the senior dev / IT Manager. The agent even told me they told him they intend to extend an offer, which doesn't mean much but still bolsters the plausibility of an official offer.

    Just received news that because the two parties couldn't come to an agreement on contracts between them (not even dealing with my specific employment but the details of the agency) and that they have "passed" on me. Is this a common occurrence? Should I just avoid all third parties when applying to jobs? To be fair, the gentlemen who was my agent was completely open with everything so I don't blame anyone. It just feels bad and like the rug has been pulled out from underneath me.

    Edit: On the call with the agent, he told me that some details (small he said) that most companies compromise on in terms of the contract of using this agency, the company was completely unwilling to budge on. Also that the initial (literally just the first figured mentioned) for salary was reviewed and the IT Manager said "If he wants 65k, we cant do that so we'll have to pass". Absolutely no room for negotiation, as I would have come down as low as 50k which is still way more than I make currently.

    No blame thrown, but the agency was CyberCoders.

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    Why is there so much hate for "CRUD" development on here? Aren't most software jobs CRUD?

    Posted: 30 May 2018 09:48 AM PDT

    I keep seeing "ew I hate CRUD" over and over again. Why is there so much hate for these type of jobs? But aren't most jobs CRUD? For example, being a software developer at Reddit seems like you'd be working on a crud application (create, edit, delete posts/comments). Would many of you really turn down an opportunity work on reddit.com or other big companies simply because it's CRUD?

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    Should I leave a 16 month internship after 4 months?

    Posted: 30 May 2018 06:04 PM PDT

    Interning with IBM and it's honestly the best job I've ever had. Everyone on my team is easy to work with and it's more money and freedom than I've ever had at a job.

    However, I know that I'm not growing as a developer. There are development tasks every now and then but most of the work is in test automation and maintenance.

    If I leave early, the worst thing that might happen is that I would be banned from my school's coop program and burn some bridges.

    However, in other internships where people are learning a lot of things, the work life balance appears to be much worse (more micromanagement and less freedom).

    Should I just coast through the remaining 12 months and enjoy a chill intern life with little professional growth or should I leave early and again put myself through the crazy interview process for the reward of doing more work at the next job?

    What would you do in this situation?

    NOTE: If I leave early, I would just go back to school in the fall and continue with the 3rd year of my CS degree.

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    Google AI Residency Program

    Posted: 30 May 2018 05:57 AM PDT

    So I read about a 12-month program Google has called the Google AI Residency Program where they train people to do research in ML/AI. I think Facebook also has a similar thing, but one thing I noticed was a lot of these people only have Master's and thanks to this program are now doing legitimate research.

    Do you think it makes sense to only do a Master's and bank on a similar program to Google AI Residency Program in order to advance myself into research without doing a PhD?

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    Cant line up job out of mid-tier UC

    Posted: 30 May 2018 11:43 AM PDT

    Hi, I'm a Physics and Computer Science B.S. double major from a mid tier UC with research and a personal project thats essentially a social media aggregator that incorporates ML and physics equations for ranking lists.

    I can't get an interview anywhere even though I'm applying to about 20-30 places a day and the referrals (about 6) that my friends have put in for me at big tech firms have returned null. Is there potentially something wrong with my resume? What should I do at this point to try to secure a position? I wanted to have something lined up by graduation but it's looking like I will have to live with my parents for a bit. Any suggestions of how I can get something (anything at this point) for myself? Thanks!

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    How much do personal projects help with job applications?

    Posted: 30 May 2018 12:14 PM PDT

    I need help making a 2-3 year plan to transition from CRUD development to NLP development

    Posted: 30 May 2018 04:35 AM PDT

    I recently graduated and started working at my first full-time developer job doing straightforward CRUD stuff. It's a nice job, but I don't feel very challenged here and I think I'll get bored of it before too long. I never applied to intern or work at any big tech companies while I was a student, but as I'm getting settled in to my job here I'm starting to think that's actually the direction I want to go with my career. Honestly, I have no one to blame but myself, but I was really lazy in college and I stopped pushing myself, and I miss the high-achieving, learning-oriented, ambitious environment that I think a tech giant can provide. I'm looking to get back on that track, and I'm hoping for a sanity check on a 2-3 year plan to invest around 20 hours a week into making myself into a strong candidate for the type of role I'm after.

    I'm interested in a role that deals with natural language processing like, at a cursory search, this one or this one. It's not necessarily about the Big 4 companies themselves, but they just happen to have a lot of the large-scale, interesting applications dealing with NLP. I'm more interested in finding that kind of role than a Big 4 name, so I'll be applying to similar roles at less prestigious companies once I'm ready.

    I'm about to start Georgia Tech's online MS in CS, and I plan to do the machine learning specialization. I'm also planning to build a nice github page that has a few projects demonstrating competence with the technologies and concepts these types of roles deal with, because I'm only starting to realize now how interesting I find that stuff. The degree should take about 2 years, during which I'll probably stay at this same job. I might try to find a different developer job in a machine learning hub rather than staying in my current city, but that's a question I'll resolve later. I expect the courses themselves to either require projects or lead me indirectly to project ideas, since I struggle with that initial creative step.

    As far as other things I can do: a lot of the advice I've read on this sub revolves around the internship and new-grad level positions at Big 4 companies, but I'll have around 2-3 years of professional experience by the time I graduate with my MS. I can't help but feeling like I'd be wasting my effort to spend my finite professional development time wrestling with Leetcode Hards. It's a game I'm willing to play for the right end result, but I worry that that's not an efficient use of my time compared to studying, programming, or just generally maintaining a life outside of my study plan. Should I still expect a straightforward kind of process of (resume filter) -> (technical/aglorithm filter) -> (culture filter) -> (job offer)? Or is it a bit more nuanced than that outside of the entry/intern meat grinder? I got my current job by spamming a generic resume into a black hole hundreds of times, and I need to figure out a more targeted approach to getting a role that I want next time around.

    I realize my questions are very open-ended, but it's hard to identify more concrete steps I need to take now that I've realized what my longer-term goals are. I'm unsure how to prioritize my graduate study, my portfolio, my job, interview prep, and relocation to a bigger market. I'd appreciate any responses or thoughts on what I should do over the next few years.

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    Is my supervisor lazy, or am I just being a bad worker?

    Posted: 30 May 2018 08:23 AM PDT

    Third week at my new job (one year of experience). Supervisor has been giving me high level overviews of the system everyday for about an hour (but often cancels these meetings). I didn't have access to anything at first, so he gave me a thumbdrive of VB.NET spagghetti source code of the system I'm going to be rewriting, and told me to read through it.

    After I got database access, he just told me to see how the tables work with the code and look at the database tables. I can't even run the program, so it's hard to even see what any function is doing. Some queries are huge and I don't know the business side of what the function is even doing. He also said a lot of DB tables are unused, but did could not tell me which ones off the top of his head.

    Truth is, reading through unknown source code without even being able to run it, no documentation, no explanation of the system is really tedious and just seems like busy work until they assign me an actual task.

    I asked him if there is anything I should be doing one time, and he just kind of slid his way out of the question saying I can't really do anything without access to everything. It turns out that his boss actually retired recently, and I'm the first new hire under him, with two more coming in two months. So it seems like he has a really long leash right now. First day I came, we ran into his old coworkers who were joking to me about how my boss is a slacker too.

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    Lost My Job, Need Advice

    Posted: 30 May 2018 06:51 PM PDT

    So a little over a month ago, I was put a PIP for performance reasons. I won't go into too much detail, but despite countless warnings on this sub, I thought I could make it through and didn't spend any time looking for a job in that time.

    Well anyway, today I lost my job. I had been keeping diligent notes of all my activities and having weekly sit-down meetings, but from what I've read on this sub, it seems like those are mostly a formality, because despite each week my supervisor telling me he "had no complaints" and "good job", he backpedaled today and said that that "should have told me that I was only doing the bare minimum". Yeah, okay...

    But I don't care about that. The problem is that this leaves me in a sticky situation. When I graduated, I was running out of money and took one of the first decent salaried positions I could find in the next state over from home and moved out there about a month before they laid off about 60-70 people including me. I had never wanted to be at that company, as their particular industry didn't interest me at all. When I found the company that I just left, I had hopes it would be different because it was in an industry I felt was close enough to what I wanted to do that I would enjoy it, especially since my supervisor seemed to share a lot of common interests, but over time he showed his true colors and I just couldn't stand to be around him.

    Unfortunately, I'm on a year-long lease that doesn't end until September 1st, and this state is kind of a dead zone for CS jobs unless you want to get into insurance software... I don't want to find myself trapped in another job for only a few months, because I know that will look bad once I eventually try to move back to my home state.

    I have heard that it's possible to get an early termination of your lease, which I'm assuming will hurt my credit, but at this point, I'm not sure I have much in the way of options. My home state would be MUCH better for finding a job in the industry, and I can't help but wonder if it would be worth taking the hit to my credit to get back there.

    Luckily, I only recently started a car insurance policy in this state, and my old one is still in effect until I can get my new plates. I'm thinking that if I could terminate my lease and find a job in my home state, I could cancel the new insurance policy and get the partial refund and put that towards my old policy and move back there.

    Does anyone have any advice in this regard? I know this may not be the best sub to ask this specific question, but I also would appreciate any advice regarding my career prospects and ideas on how to get back on track.

    tl;dr I fought the PIP but the PIP won. Trapped in an apartment lease a state away from plentiful CS job opportunities. Should I look into early termination and take the hit to my credit?

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    Reasons people get fired?

    Posted: 29 May 2018 11:43 PM PDT

    Can people share what reasons theyve seen for people being let go in development?

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    Web Developer 2 Years Into a Job Using PHP. How Should I go About Applying to Jobs in Node.js?

    Posted: 30 May 2018 04:44 PM PDT

    Hello, I'm wondering about what my expectations should be if I want to switch from working in a LAMP stack to a MERN (MySQL, Express, React, Node) stack?

    I have 2 years in the industry and it was with the LAMP stack, which I taught myself. While at this job I've been learning Node, express, and react because I think it seems more lucrative and fun. When I look for jobs, should I be applying to junior positions because it's a new stack or should I be going into mid-level positions? I'm quite confident in my ability to learn quickly at this point.

    What about pay? Should I expect lower pay because I don't have experience using it in a work environment? Also a lot of these jobs want a few years experience with the tech, but do you think they would overlook the fact that I don't have it because I have a couple years in the industry with a different stack?

    Also what do you think about my choice in general? Good idea or bad that I'm trying to learn an entirely new tech stack so early in my career? Is it better to stick with PHP and master that or switch to Node? I'm feeling kind of bad right now because I feel stuck in between two technologies that split my time, when I could have been really good at 1 by now.

    Thanks for any help!

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    4 years into embedded systems job, now I'm stuck

    Posted: 30 May 2018 08:18 PM PDT

    4 years into my first and only job out of college, working in EDA and embedded systems job while at my current company. For reference, I live in the SF Bay Area. I want to transition to a fulltime software job.

    I want out, but I really pidgeonholed myself and now the only skills I do have is my current job and thats it. I know C++ and Python to an extent. So now I'm in a dilenma where I don't have much programming experience at all or developed my skills beyond necessary for the job. I've been getting contacted by recruiters on Linkedin, but there is absolutely no way I can pass any kind of technical interview. I can't even do the easy problems on Leetcode and it seems by brain has turned into mush from all these years at a deadend job.

    The only thing I've done is buy a couple of classes from udemy from Colt Steele's Web Development Bootcamp, I just started the beginner class.

    I'm just looking for feedback and advice from people who are/were in similar situations.

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    Is pursuing an IoT job the right choice at this point?

    Posted: 30 May 2018 08:04 PM PDT

    Just curious about Iot (Internet of Things) jobs and possible career paths. It doesn't seem to be abuzz as it used to be a few years ago.

    Has anyone found any good jobs/career paths recently?

    I'm very interested in it, but I don't see a lot of interest in it. I'm wondering if pursuing it is chasing after a dead end.

    Thanks!

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    Corporate Bank Technology at JP Morgan Chase

    Posted: 30 May 2018 07:58 PM PDT

    Does anyone work in the Corporate Bank Technology division at JPMC in Chicago (or anywhere)? What's your experience working there? Do you like it? What technologies do you work with? What's the culture like?

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    What is the difference between a big 10 school and a target school?

    Posted: 30 May 2018 07:05 PM PDT

    Some people in this thread describe their education as "big 10" or "target school." What is the difference between them? What category would a small engineering school such as Caltech, HMC, or Cooper Union fall into?

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    Your grind schedule?

    Posted: 30 May 2018 07:02 PM PDT

    I'm 5 months into first post masters degree job. Things are decent, definitely a stepping stone job, but filled with a bunch of 10xers. I'm wanting to start the leet code grind again. How many of you full timers are consistently studying after work? I'm aiming for a year at my current company, then looking to bounce to a BigN in Seattle.

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    Commercial Software Engineering Role

    Posted: 30 May 2018 06:58 PM PDT

    I'm currently lined up to begin the interview process for the Commercial Software Engineer role at a cloud-providing organization. This seems to be a new type of role sprung from their 'evangelists.' The initial recruiter told me that I would be working at local colleges to meet with students during labs to help them learn how to set up their projects in their cloud service. I would also participate in setting up and helping to run Hackathons that they host.

    The role is not straight development, which is the upside for me. Honestly, it sounds a bit too good to be true, working with colleges, students, and maybe eventually startups to help them use Azure tech. I enjoy explaining things to people, being put in dynamic situations that I have to manage, and not going to the same place every day to do almost nearly the same thing that has been laid out for me. The pay is on par, if not a little on the higher side, for experienced developers. On top of that, I'd have my foot in the door at an organization where I could certainly grow. I also enjoy needing a wide understanding of many frameworks rather than a deep understanding of a few.

    Does anyone have experience with this role? Some things I should be careful of evaluating the opportunity? Realities of the job that I might be missing?

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    To Code or not to code that is the print ?

    Posted: 30 May 2018 06:34 PM PDT

    I am currently in the Military serving out the rest of my sentance...er contract :D.I am 31, so I am starting a new career, a bit late in life,I admit. I have been studying up on Red hat , python, and also Java in the hopes that I will leave the military and have a bit of a head start before I attend college. My job in the military has absolutly nothing to do with IT, although I do end up helping out the IT folks , just because of my "knack" for it.

    A little bit of background on me, I am very close to finishing my degree, I already had 3 years of college before the military prior to joining(music school). So when I get out, I will most likely jump into core studies and will only be in college for a year or even less.

    My questions is this, I have always loved the hardware side of commputers, taking apart, and building rigs, and I have always been the go to guy in the family when it comes to fixing computers or configuring networks, and such.

    I don't really enjoy the programming side that much, granted I am still extremly new to it, and it might grow on me.

    I see that the coding jobs seem to pay better, so that is a good motivator, for me to crack down and become great at it. If there is no way around it.

    Is there another (similar)field you guys/gals would recommend, maybe like a server room person?(not sure what the title is)

    I have 19 months left, if you were me, what would you do to prepare? practice more coding?I was planning on getting Red Hat certified and building my own lab, so I can put it on my resume, if I can get good enough at coding. I also hold a TS clearance, I know some employers look for that in the IT world.

    Also, how do you guys not get mixed up inbetween coding languages, each one has different rules, maybe that comes with time and experience, but it all seems a bit daunting right now.

    Apologies if my post seems a little ranty

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    Is CS right for me?

    Posted: 30 May 2018 05:57 PM PDT

    I absolutely love math and I love solving puzzles and riddles.

    Writing code also doesn't seem too bad but, I also am really interested in scientific research and especially the theoretical aspect of CS, however, I'm torn between CS and physics.

    I'm interested in physics due to the heavy potential of quantum computing and quantum theory in the future, though I'm not sure how much theoretical aspects are still relevant, given that experimental physics is becoming more important and I don't really like that field.

    What do you guys think?

    Thanks to everyone

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    Recent grad, have two offers (one internship and one full time), unsure what to do.

    Posted: 30 May 2018 05:56 PM PDT

    Hey all, have two offers right now and no idea what to do. I'm a recent computer science graduate looking for my first job. Both companies are similar size startups in the Bay Area. The offers are as follows:

    Offer A:

    - full time

    - 90k salary

    - somewhat interesting company/work

    Offer B:

    - internship to full time

    - 30/hr (60k/yr) for duration of internship (likely 3 months), full time salary unknown

    - relatively more interesting company/work

    I've no idea what to do. Company B seems more interesting to me but I'd rather have a full time position right now as opposed to an internship that could or could not turn into a full time position. Should I pick one of the two? Should I pass on both and keep looking? Help :(

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    Not sure if software development is the right field for me? Recent grad

    Posted: 30 May 2018 05:54 PM PDT

    So I graduated with my bs in computer science in December and got a job pretty fast( couple months later) with a large shipping company to work as a mainly java software developer. The first month was mostly just training like culture and some different frameworks like spring. Now at first I enjoyed learning all the new stuff but now that I'm actually in the role I'm not sure. Basically the devs on my team have no real impact on the higher level design with the slight exception of the tech lead. I feel like I'm just a programmer at this point with no ability to be creative or help with design. Any interesting tasks are taken by the lead and I'm usually left with some bs work that only takes maybe a quarter of my day. I hate having to be in the office everyday with maybe an hour of work and nothing for the other 7 hours. I understand that I am new and won't be given the more complex stuff immediately but I feel like all I'm doing is writing a bit of code with no impact and creativity. Leaves me feeling bored af everyday. Wasn't sure if every developer job is similar. Plus I hate this agile crap... basically no input on all the different tasks. Could definitely use some insight

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    Is there a job title for an individual who focuses on large-scale system design?

    Posted: 30 May 2018 05:12 PM PDT

    I've recently become interested in learning more about scalability and system design, and was wondering if it ends up being a key component of any senior engineer's life, or if there was a specific career track that ends up focusing on it?

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    What are some privacy focused companies that hire devs?

    Posted: 30 May 2018 04:41 PM PDT

    I'm interested in companies like duckduckgo and Mozilla. Can you think of anymore companies that care about the privacy of their users?

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