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    Interview Discussion - April 26, 2018 CS Career Questions

    Interview Discussion - April 26, 2018

    Posted: 26 Apr 2018 12:07 AM PDT

    Please use this thread to have discussions about interviews, interviewing, and interview prep. Posts focusing solely on interviews created outside of this thread will probably be removed.

    Abide by the rules, don't be a jerk.

    This thread is posted each Monday and Thursday at midnight PST. Previous Interview Discussion threads can be found here.

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    Daily Chat Thread - April 26, 2018

    Posted: 26 Apr 2018 12:07 AM PDT

    Please use this thread to chat, have casual discussions, and ask casual questions. Moderation will be light, but don't be a jerk.

    This thread is posted every day at midnight PST. Previous Daily Chat Threads can be found here.

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    I got a job!!

    Posted: 26 Apr 2018 04:25 PM PDT

    So, this isn't technically a question, but I have spent a decent amount of time here over the past four months, so I thought I would say it... I got a job!

    This isn't my first job in dev but it feels like the first role where I could see myself staying at the company for 2+ years. It just feels so nice to have gotten there :)

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    Why are more programmers not mad about this?

    Posted: 26 Apr 2018 04:34 AM PDT

    I'll keep this brief, but I work at a really big company as a software engineer. I was previously employed as an engineer at a major credit card company, and both have had insanely restrictive rules about innovation and inventions. I've been asking around, and it seems like these are pretty much the status quo at most companies.

    From what I've seen the following is pretty standard:

    • If you make something while you're employed here, the company automatically owns it. This includes stuff made off the clock, on your own computer, while on vacation, not in the building, whatever.

    • If you want to contribute to open source projects, you have to come to the company and ask them for permission first. Also, approving it could take from six to eight months. If the company decides that they don't like the project, they can officially decide you're "not allowed" to work on it.

    • If you're continuing your education while employed, you have to submit IP disclosures for projects you work on at school. If the company likes the code enough, they can officially "own" it.

    In spite of this, I submitted an invention to the company, and it was recently funded. Basically, I did all the ground work for it, and the company decided to "sit" on it. That means that they're pretty much waiting for a customer to either ask them for something similar, or someone to come up with something similar so they can sue them. This also means I can't patent it, work on it, discuss details about it, or basically do anything with it.

    Now I want to be clear that I knew this before I submitted it so I'm not bellyaching, but I was pretty surprised to find that (from my limited experience) that this is representative of a lot of companies across the board.

    My question is, why aren't people more pissed off about this? Are we really all okay with the idea that a company owns your brain? Or that the company has the power to tell you what you can and cannot work on in your spare time? Or that you have to ask permission to contribute to an open source project? I understand maybe them owning stuff you do on their time or use their resources for, but I think the gross overreach of these rules are kind of ridiculous. I love coding and work on stuff in my free time a lot, but was saddened to find almost all the other engineers don't have pet projects because "Well, what's the point?"

    And just to be clear - I get that they're private companies and they can make their own rules. I was fully aware of this stuff when I signed the contract to sign to work there. I just kind of feel like the whole "if you don't like it, go work somewhere else" mentality is not really meaningful when most, if not all companies have similar policies.

    So am I just a skinny-jean wearing dirtbag millennial, or is this something that upsets other people?

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    Does anyone out there work for a leader they respect?

    Posted: 26 Apr 2018 07:26 PM PDT

    I am three years into my current job. Everything was great for the first year or so. But now that the rose-colored glasses are off -- rather, they were torn off my face and stomped into oblivion before my very feet -- I realize that the company is littered with incompetence, erratic "leadership," short-sighted, reactionary decision making -- when there even is a decision. Deadlines are ALWAYS pulled out of thin air, as are requirements. This isn't about just one bad boss. This is a company-wide problem. And from what I hear from others at different companies, things aren't much better elsewhere.

    These are things you don't always notice until you are at a company long enough to be part of big projects where leadership is involved. So, for those of you that have been at your company for more than two years: do you still like your job? Not just your day to day, do you respect your company and its leaders?

    After reading this thread, I'm starting think it's like this everywhere. I also recently discovered Aggretsuko and it literally feels like a documentary of my life. Dilbert is painfully accurate. Every single strip.

    If you work for a company where this isn't the case, please share your story for those of us still trapped in our soul crushing jobs.

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    Finished Grad School - Java or Android?

    Posted: 26 Apr 2018 06:47 PM PDT

    Finished my B.S. in Comp Sci and M.S. in Software Engineering in December. I've been in an Android Internship that recently decided to go the direction of hybrid in Ionic. The pay for full-time is very low and I'm trying to decide on my next move. Ionic is cool but I don't see learning something completely from scratch when I have some foundation in other languages.

     

    I'm thinking of Java or Android because I have had the most experience with Java in college, and my internship was in Android (although I am far from an expert or confident in either).

     

    I'm basically wondering first: which has more job prospects (Java or Android)? I've tried researching on glassdoor and google and found some interesting articles, but they didn't mention all cities, just some (http://www.itprotoday.com/software-development/coding-language-use-and-popularity-us-varies-city-survey) (https://insights.dice.com/2017/05/10/programming-languages-popular-city/). I would like to move to Austin if possible, or potentially Houston (but am not completely closed off to other cities). Any additional thoughts on specifics per city? And which typically ends up making more in the long term in their career?

     

    From my job application research so far, it seems that if I go a pure Java route they want me to know the frameworks (Spring, etc), which I will need to take some time to learn. However I feel like I have been seeing more jobs in Java than Android(especially since a lot of Android jobs seem to want 5+ years bare minimum experience). Is this accurate?

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    Am I a failed impostor?

    Posted: 26 Apr 2018 06:10 PM PDT

    I graduated with a BS in CS last summer and had trouble finding a job in software engineering. I was a decent student, but I didn't have any internships because where I was living required a car to get anywhere and I didn't have one at the time; however, I did work for my school's web development office for a year mostly doing backend Java stuff. Out of the resumes I put out I got two automated invitations to HackerRank technical challenges, both of which I bombed spectacularly. I didn't even get brought in for an interview for the permanent webdev position the school was hiring for around the time I was graduating. I needed a job to pay rent so I got a temp helpdesk gig with a major retailer before my buddy got me in the door at the IT firm he worked for. I've got a great team and the work arrangements are really good for dealing with some extenuating circumstances that have developed since graduation, but I'm not applying my education and I do not like the work. This isn't somewhere I'm trying to be for a long time, but I can't help but feel some serious impostor syndrome when I think of how I can transition to development. I feel like doing HackerRank challenges to build the skills I was lacking in those technical interviews isn't enough to mean anything to interviewers, but at the same time when I survey open source projects to potentially get involved with so I can point to concrete work I've done I feel like I'm totally out of my league in even trying to get started.

    Sorry that this is poorly edited and probably hard to read, but I'm kind of stream-of-consciousnessing this to express what's gone down. It's not that I feel like an impostor, that I can deal with; it's that I feel like a failed impostor. Am I? How do I turn myself around?

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    Working remotely as a dev with little experience?

    Posted: 26 Apr 2018 07:57 PM PDT

    My girlfriend's moving to the US (we're from Canada) for a year to finish school in September, and she wants me to go with her. I just got my very first offer as a new grad for a good company with a good salary, but no remote options. If I work for these guys for a few months then quit, I'll really still only have a drop in the bucket in terms of experience.

    I'm wondering if anyone knows if I have any options? Ideally I would have applied for visas and all that to just work in the states, but this was sort of sprung on me last minute. Pretty much every remote position I've seen is for senior devs and requires at least a couple days a week spent in office.

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    Employable Java skills

    Posted: 26 Apr 2018 10:10 AM PDT

    Hi!

    I am currently a CS college student. As a beginning language we are taught Java. I have been programming Java for about 6 years, nothing professional. I just started in middle school and did it as a hobby and messed around with it and obviously have been programming in it a lot more since I have started college. I have gone through three CS classes and they have all been incredibly simple for me, I haven't learned anything new and all of my teachers and many of the department faculty have asked to meet with me and called me a gifted student. Since I have a little more free time than most students in my classes at this moment due to my experience in Java I wanted to spend some time teaching myself some things. I'm not entirely sure what kind of skills of Java are marketable, what I should teach myself beyond basic Java. I mean I can build GUIs and we do the whole basic CS thing with data structures and etc (I know this isn't the entirety of it) but I know there is more to Java that I can teach myself that employers are looking for. I doubt there are recruiters out there looking for people who can build a JFrame and that's it. I know we learn some C soon but most of it is Java unless you take a class that specifically teaches a language like web development and you'll learn Javascript.

    Thanks in advance!

    Edit: My friend claims I'll have a much better chance getting a career out of college if I just learn Python instead of continuing with Java, thoughts?

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    Actuary considering getting into data science. Is it feasible and worth it? Advice on how to proceed?

    Posted: 26 Apr 2018 10:22 AM PDT

    I'm an actuary of 3 years in my upper 20s and have BSs in applied math, physics, and astronomy. I decided at the last minute to not pursue a PhD in physics, so I scrambled for a job, passed an actuarial exam, and got hired as an actuary. While I don't dislike the job, I've never been very passionate about it, and I've never felt like I belong in the field--it has just been comfortable, well-paying, and with a clear path to follow. What has begun to bother me is that my skills and knowledge are so specialized to insurance that I'd be stuck in this field if I continued down that path. Spending thousands of hours studying for more exams to learn more about a unique field that doesn't particularly interest me is a loathsome thought, especially since the exam material isn't even used much as an actuary.

    I want to develop myself as an employee with skills that are applicable for different projects/companies/fields. The most variety I'd get as an actuary is choosing whether I want to work in health or auto insurance. I've recently been exposed to data science through friends. It sounds like something I'd be very interested and capable in (with time), and I wouldn't be limited to a particular field. I could continue to gain experience that would make me a valuable employee to many different areas.

    At this point, I would rather pay for online programming and data science courses than get paid to take more actuarial exams. That's probably a sign I need to make some sort of career change. Here are my biggest questions, assuming I decide to switch:

    • Is my time better spent going back and getting a masters degree or teaching myself skills that would make me useful?
    • If I should teach myself, what skills should I acquire? I am great at Excel and have basic knowledge of VBA and SAS, but I don't know other languages. This post suggests taking a bunch of Python courses, then Andrew Ng's machine learning, statistical learning, etc.
    • How and when should I make the jump? Do I keep working as an actuary until I am proficient in X, Y, and Z and then apply for jobs, or do I start applying for entry level data analyst positions that, while likely paying less than I make now, would provide more experience applicable to help me get into data science?
    • What level or type of positions should I be looking for given my background? My lack of a computer science background hurts me a lot, I'm sure, but I'm willing to work on it. Hopefully my experience as an actuary can pull weight. I'm pretty anxious to get out of my small city and go somewhere big, like SF, Seattle, or NYC, so I'm wondering what I could get if I just started sending out resumes now.
    • Data scientist and data analyst seem to get blended together. Does an analyst progress into a scientist, or is it a separate field that would likely require an advanced degree? Is there enough opportunity for success as an analyst, if an advanced degree is needed as a scientist, that I could have a solid career as one if going back to school to become a scientist isn't feasible?
    • Am I crazy for wanting to get out of actuarial science? Is the grass not greener in data science?
    • Does anybody have an useful anecdotes from having gone through something similar?

    Based on what I've read, my immediate plan of action sounds like it should be:

    • Start taking intro Python courses
    • Apply for data analyst positions now (entry level?) that would offer projects and experience that could develop me towards data science
    • Keep taking online courses for intermediate/advanced Python, intro to R, machine learning, etc. Start working on pet projects and saving them on GitHub
    • Flex my experience as a data analyst and growing programming skills to land a better analyst position or entry level data scientist position

    Thanks in advance for the help!

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    New Software Developer Intern

    Posted: 26 Apr 2018 07:10 PM PDT

    I am applying for a high school internship with hootsuite for the summer of 2018 in Vancouver, Canada. I have no idea on how to write a cover letter and how to prepare for a behavior and technical interviewer. Any tips would be very much appreciated. Feel free to suggest links, book, or articles. Also feel free to ask questions! Thanks again reddit!

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    Company name vs job title (data engineer, data scientist)

    Posted: 26 Apr 2018 06:54 PM PDT

    On the resume/future job prospect and marketability, which job title/role (data scientist or data engineer) would look better in the long run from a top company? At the current top company, actual work DE would do is slightly more DE and some DS work... and DS would do slightly more DS and some DE work (basically both titles would do similar types of work of each.. maybe one gets slightly more specialization but for the most part it's basically interchangeable). In the long term would ideally like to stay in the data field and be able to eventually become a good manager that knows how the data pipelines work as well as methods to analyze and gain insights (full stack for data??). I have some knowledge as a DS from past company but new to DE.. not sure what my next job at a diff company will be.

    1. Will one job title over the other prevent me from getting the other job roles at another company later down the road.. or will the company name help at all?

    Do companies care if one job title is more prestigious coming from a top company? I.e Top bank: DE vs DS Top marketing: DE vs DS Top cloud service: DE vs DS Etc

    1. would it be productive to take on DS and DE roles at different companies in the future throughout my career or just slow progression, salary etc..
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    How to Find Enjoyable Side Projects?

    Posted: 26 Apr 2018 06:55 AM PDT

    Just browsing this sub and attending a highly competitve CS university, I know everyone does 30 different side projects to progress their CS career. The thing is, I don't know what projects to do. I don't particularly enjoy the act of coding itself, I like making things. And so if I don't have a good idea, I can't really code something. I'm a first year programmer and I've only done one side project so far – a reddit parsing project which I did because it was fun.

    Every project, I want to create something that hasn't exist before. It doesn't have to change the world, but I find no enjoyment copying some tutorial online and then calling it my own code. I guess my question is, do I just chill and wait for "inspiriation" to come to me? Or just deal with it and grind out some project I don't particularly enjoy?

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    Active Military Online Degree

    Posted: 26 Apr 2018 05:35 PM PDT

    I'm active military looking to get a computer science degree. I haven't come up with many options other than Penn State. The problem is they only offer a Software Engineering degree. Should I just go with that? Honestly I've done research on the difference between the two and I still don't know

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    Offer negotiations

    Posted: 26 Apr 2018 05:34 PM PDT

    Hey folks, I want to leave my current job at any cost even though it pays me well and recently got an offer from a decent company. The offer is more than my current package but if you factor in the cost of living, it's kind of equal if not less.

    How should I proceed about negotiating my offer? I have never done salary negotiations before. How do you even start the conversation.

    Thanks!

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    About to lead a dev team for the first time .. any suggestions on success?

    Posted: 26 Apr 2018 02:47 PM PDT

    I don't want to be a shitty manager. Any good reading books?

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    Signed offer, but recruiter still hasn't got back to me.

    Posted: 26 Apr 2018 08:14 PM PDT

    Hello,

    I signed an offer at a top 10 around 2 weeks ago. The next day someone new emailed me saying he would be coordinating my on-boarding process. I had to sign a bunch of confidentiality forms which read and sent back that day. Its been a 2 weeks and he/she still has not gotten back to me. (I sent a follow up email a week ago with no response also). What should I do? I thought I had the internship...but I feel like its sliding away and I cant do anything about it... What should I do? (There seems like there is nothing I can do? :()

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    Summitworks or Revature Experience! Urgent Help

    Posted: 26 Apr 2018 08:13 PM PDT

    Hello folks, first post here. Currently I am a CS student soon graduating and in serious need of gaining some experience. Out of all the jobs I have applied to, the 2 mentioned in the title have been the only ones to have reached out. I was wondering if some would be kind on sharing their experience with these 2 services.

    My concerns falls with how often did you have to relocate?
    Were you able to progress in your career or are you stuck with them forever?
    Do they leave you in limbo for a while when trying to connect you to a client?
    Was the training provided even of good quality?
    Is scamming really a common practice like recommendation of lying on resumes?

    From a lot of the past comments(2013-2016) made about these places it always comes across as selling your soul to them. I dearly want to gain some experience, but I also don't want to screw myself big time. So any input from those that have recently or know people that recently had experience with these places would be greatly appreciated.

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    Quitting internship midway for a better company?

    Posted: 26 Apr 2018 04:17 PM PDT

    I got an offer from another company recently (bigN) for a summer internship. I'm committed with another company for the summer, and should start in 2 weeks. How would it seem if I don't intern for the company I'm signed with?

    Edit: The internship I'm suppose to start is at a Big 4 Consulting Firm. The offer I just received is a Big 4 Tech Company. I rather work in tech.

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    While I'm completing my CS degree, what should I be studying if I want to get into cyber-security?

    Posted: 26 Apr 2018 07:46 PM PDT

    Living in a small city of about 200,000 people. Struggling to find a jr. developer position to start my career. Do any jr. developer positions in bigger cities offer moving allowances?

    Posted: 26 Apr 2018 09:06 AM PDT

    I'm nearing the end of my associates degree in software development. I've been applying and interviewing for jobs everywhere in my area, but nothing has come to fruition yet.

    I think I would have better luck if I were looking in other, bigger cities. But I don't have the money to move and find a new place immediately. I don't suppose it's very common that an entry-level developer position would offer a moving allowance. Or would they?

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    Help on my next move - MSSQL

    Posted: 26 Apr 2018 07:33 PM PDT

    Hi All,

    I'm not sure if this is more /r/itcareer than /r/cscareer, but I'm hoping I can get some advice here. I'll describe myself a bit to hopefully help with the questions I"ll ask at the end.

    Current Position: I'm the Team Lead/Supervisor for my current helpdesk of about 7, as well as my "side gig" of being our newbie SQL sort of developer.

    More about my experience: I really don't have a lot of experience yet with SQL (just over a year now, although it's sitll not quite a "year", because I have limited time every day to dedicate to this - most of my time is used up with my help desk lead role). I've learned on the job by buying udemy.com videos, starting with Microsoft Access videos, and eventually moving to MSSQL, and then simple webforms with c# asp.net.

    • My first steps in MSSQL was using SSIS to daily dump data from our Oracle DB (which our applications run) to MSSQL for our own reporting/internal IT purposes.

    • From here, creating both subscription based reports, as well as ad-hoc reports for management with the data in SSRS, as well as more reports for IT to use internally which (personally I believe) have helped our efficieny a lot. Before what we had spread out in dozens of spreadsheets that were never updated, with multiple editions where we didn't know which ones were current, as well as the information being printed on paper, now we had everything in a centralized database that was up to date, and very easy to look up. Very proud of myself for that step!

    • From here, my next step was creating my first webform using c# asp.net and SQL for internal IT use. What I manually kept up to date in the database (for our IT purposes) before was now being updated by the IT team themselves using the web forms.

    This is where I am now. I have several months of the c# asp.net experience, making my webforms "better" each time when I happen to learn something new. They are still ugly as hell, and there are A LOT of things I don't know how to do because I haven't quite learned ("don't put the date in that format, it'll screw my db up....yeah don't do that either, do this when ur entering) because like I said, I'm learning on my own with no real mentor or teacher. Everything is me googling how to do something and figuring out a hackjob way to do it.

    What I'd like to do: Find a job that focuses much more on the SQL and developing the web forms and websites, because I love it. It's fun.

    Unfortunately, I don't have a lot of experience obviously, and I'm missing a ton of "core" knowledge that most who went to school for this, or learned from others may have. For instance, ETL I suppose it's called, I had no idea what this was until I kept seeing it in job applications..I guess I've been doing the whole "ETL" thing by data dumping from Oracle to SQL this whole time? Lots of small things like this where I feel like if I went to a job interview and they asked me something that's relatively "simple", I still may not know because my learning has been quite sheltered.

    Anyway, onto the questions.

    • What could I realistically land as a job going forward? Would I have to go for a "jr. sql developer" role, or assuming I learn at a good pace, could I wait a year and go for a "Sr. SQL" type role?

    • What else could I focus on to improve myself more quickly to have a better foundation of what I'm learning?

    • What job titles should I be aiming for? There seem to be so many, DBA, SQL-Developer, Data Analyst, etc. I think I'm most interested in the SQL Developer type role, but I'm just not sure.

    • How important is it to get my Bachelor's? I know a lot of companies don't care about it...but a lot do. Would it really be worth it to take night classes to get this? I feel like it would, but I'd like your input.

    All help is appreciated. Thank you.

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    Creating a react app to learn the basics of react as a skill set for job search in a month, will employers care that i used "create-react-app"?

    Posted: 26 Apr 2018 07:16 PM PDT

    Thinking about switching from Accounting to MIS, good choice? Is MIS worth it?

    Posted: 26 Apr 2018 07:08 PM PDT

    I've posted in other subs and literally got no responses, i hope I'm posting in the right sub if not redirect me please!

    So I'm overall interested in the business world, owning my own business in the future, etc. I wasn't to passionate about any specific major so I chose accounting due to the high job prospects after graduating. I'm almost done(junior year) but in order to take the higher level accounting courses I need to pass the accounting entrance exam and we only get 3 tries to pass and if you don't you can't study accounting there.

    So I have failed it twice due to not studying the material well. However if I pass the exam this summer I'll be graduating in fall 2019 assuming I pass all my classes. And I'd have to wait till fall to take classes. However if I decide to go for MIS, I can take classes this summer and graduate on Spring 2019.

    I really would like to graduate asap because I'd like to start working asap in order to help my family out. So my question is MIS degree worth it? What are the job prospects like after graduating? Will I have a high chance of getting a good paying entry job? Are the classes super hard? I took database applications(learned basic sql), business analysis(learned to use R), and the other ism class where I learned how to use tableu, star schema, cube, etc. And I got an A for two of them and a B. What's your advice? Should I go for it? I'm located in Miami, so I hope there's many jobs available for this career.

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    Work is sending me to I/O in two weeks - but I'm leaving the company soon (99% sure). Haven't given my notice yet.

    Posted: 26 Apr 2018 10:16 AM PDT

    Hi!

    I'm fortunate enough that my current job will pay for its engineers to attend conferences that relate to their work, and so I'm heading to Google I/O in about 11 days. I've already paid for the ticket, flights, and reserved the hotel room using my corporate card.

    A few months ago I started actively looking for other jobs, and just this past Monday, I received a verbal offer. I really love the opportunity so I accepted. This week I've been going through the onboarding process - I have filled out some paperwork and signed an NDA, and I'm currently waiting for the offer letter to be sent to me (I was told I should get it Friday or Monday after they finish a few things on their end), and then I'll have a background check to do. I don't expect the background check to take very long because my history is pretty standard - went to college, and am now in my first job out of college. No criminal record, and nothing else that should hold up a bg check. I asked for a start date of a week after I/O, so that if everything goes smoothly, I can give a proper amount of notice.

    My first problem is that this conference is coming up, and I'm unsure of how to handle it. I suppose there are three possible scenarios: 1) Work still lets me go, 2) Work doesn't let me go, or 3) I could ask if maybe the travel/hotel/ticket price could be taken from my next paycheck (or I just reimburse the company somehow), and I still go to the conference. I'm not sure if the third option is reasonable to ask for (I've really been looking forward to I/O), and if so, how to tactfully ask for it when giving my notice in person to my manager. However, then I worry that the conference would no longer count as "business travel" - after giving notice, at my company you are not allowed to request time off anymore.

    My other concern is the timing. I fly out for this conference on Monday, May 7th. We're slowly inching closer to that date, but I have not yet signed a written offer and my background check may not be complete by then - so of course, technically something could go horribly wrong and I don't end up getting a new job, in which case I wouldn't need to say a word anyway. How do I handle this? Do you think, given my scenario (in that a background check on me is pretty easy), I can afford to wait until it's done to tell the company, if that time is before I fly out to the conference? I'm worried about it not being done until next Friday or something, and having to be like "yeah, about that conference I leave for in 3 days.....", and I'm also worried about it taking longer than a few days, and not being able to give my notice until I've already flown. At that point, it would be too late for a proper 2 weeks of notice, so my options are either give notice before the conference and before my background check is done, or after the conference and ask the company to push my start date forward.

    What is the right thing to do in this scenario?

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    How many ordinary software developers is equivalent to a top-level one in regard to productivity?

    Posted: 26 Apr 2018 06:43 PM PDT
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