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    Big 4 Discussion - April 04, 2018 CS Career Questions


    Big 4 Discussion - April 04, 2018

    Posted: 04 Apr 2018 12:07 AM PDT

    Please use this thread to have discussions about the Big 4 and questions related to the Big 4, such as which one offers the best doggy benefits, or how many companies are in the Big 4 really? Posts focusing solely on Big 4 created outside of this thread will probably be removed.

    Abide by the rules, don't be a jerk.

    This thread is posted each Sunday and Wednesday at midnight PST. Previous Big 4 Discussion threads can be found here.

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    Daily Chat Thread - April 04, 2018

    Posted: 04 Apr 2018 12:07 AM PDT

    Please use this thread to chat, have casual discussions, and ask casual questions. Moderation will be light, but don't be a jerk.

    This thread is posted every day at midnight PST. Previous Daily Chat Threads can be found here.

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    Been almost a full year since I've graduated. Still unemployed.

    Posted: 04 Apr 2018 07:41 AM PDT

    Should I just decide on a different career path altogether? Been applying to dev positions since last june. I've had a few interviews. Only gotten to the final round twice. Background is I had a 3.3 GPA. BS CS from a well known university. Unfortunately I lack intern experience. I've limited myself to midwest locations since I can't really afford moving cost. You'd think getting a Chicago/Saint Louis job would be easy.

    edit: Added (pardon the formatting oversight. Should all be align left) my resume

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    Master's in CS

    Posted: 04 Apr 2018 02:29 PM PDT

    Hi, undergraduate CS student here. I just wanted to inquire those who completed their Master's in CS(with any concentrations, AI, Security, HCI, Compilers, etc.) and how it affected their career path and any reflection on the experience. Thank you.

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    My coworkes refuse to learn frontend development (web agency!) and they will cause trouble at work. How can I deal with this?

    Posted: 04 Apr 2018 02:55 PM PDT

    I'm a full stack developer for a small company in Europe (15 people). I work with a team of 4 other devs on our main office, the rest are graphic designers, PMs, etc.

    All the devs I work with come from non-web background or purely backend background. Each one of them was told, when hired, that they would have to become "fullstack" as we are not a big team and we cover many tasks.

    As it turns out, every dev (except for me) has been avoiding learning/studying frontend development for months now. It's not that they are not full stack, it's like they refuse to work on frontend stuff if they can avoid it. And quality has suffered. They have been patching things up as they go, learning the absolute minimi and then "forgetting" about it hoping no other frontend tasks would come their way.

    Last week I had a very busy scheduled so I assigned one of the front end tasks (small single page app) to a coworker under me (I'm the senior in the team). She not only took twice what was estimated to finish it (and it was not a tight estimate), but when she gave it back to me, it was incomplete and I had to finish it up. It was a very simple html page with a simple js component...

    This isn't the first time. Because she refused all this time to even dedicate a single hour of training at work, she never learnt how to do stuff like this and so she struggled with it. And because she's been saying, from the start, that "she's not capable of doing front end because she never did it on her previous jobs", she just goes on like this...

    I talked to our boss in private and pointed out that things couldn't go on like this as we were 5 devs and only 1 (me!) had a serious knowledge of frontend development.

    He was understandably pissed because all the other devs had took the lack of "pressure" on them as an exscuse to avoid elarning the stuff hoping they'd never had to do it...

    We all had a meeting after that and our boss pointed out this is unacceptable. He said he needed another frontend dev and the options were a) converting one of the 4 devs, or b) hiring a new person. He pointed out, though, that option b) would have caused troubles as there's no room for a new dev, and the ones we have aren't exactly 120% overworked....

    He gave my coworkers the chance to offer themseves voluntarily so he wouldn't have to force anyone, ie, someone would have to step in.

    The end result? All hell broke lose after the meeting. Two of them kept quite and said nothing, hoping othews would step in (one of them does 70% of his work as a sharepoint frontend dev, and yet, he doesn't want to learn frontend...) The other two said that "they would rather quit before doing fromtend" and "there's no chance in hell they were gonna have years of javascript on their cv".

    One of them said "I don't wanna do frontend otherwise if something cool comes up, I'll be left out..." I tried to explain to her how unprofessional that attitude was, and how if she wanted to play it like that, then we could all put our cards on the table and they wouldn't exactly be at the top of the hierarchy...

    My boss doesn't know about this, but the end result is that they are going to go to the next meeting ready to reject his offer, and he already said he doesn't wanna force anyone, and my coworkers know this.

    I remain the only full stack dev who's profesisonsl enough to avoid this behavior, but I also refuse to absorbe all the other work just because these idiots decided they have a right to "refuse" a certain tech because they don't like it or wouldn't look good on their cv or something like that...

    Why the f* did you come to a web agency if you now refuse to do web development? What can I do in my position? How can I avoid being penalized by their actions?

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    How can I make extra money online as a web developer?

    Posted: 04 Apr 2018 07:50 AM PDT

    I kinda want to avoid personal consulting jobs. I've done consulting for personal websites and real estate, and really want to avoid building websites for people. Its too much hassle, and not enough pay. I want to contribute to projects and software, and would like to make extra money doing it. Where can I start?

    edit I work as a WordPress developer fulltime, and do some React work. But by far my best skill is CSS.

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    Completely burnt out, need time up to a month away from current gig completely, does that gap reflect poorly as an intermediate?

    Posted: 04 Apr 2018 07:24 AM PDT

    Some quick background:

    I joined up two years back and have been working at this place in Canada pretty much non-stop, wearing multiple hats despite me being a developer on a specific service. To give some examples:

    I've jumped between our customer-facing and internal projects despite each one having specific teams due to lack of available hands and QA being done;

    I've done major infrastructure and architectural work and decisions as well as reworked and fixed up existing choices because, again, lack of available hands and QA;

    Have been helping significantly with managing and overseeing development in the long-term despite being completely fresh to the industry because of a lack of organization...

    ...and more. Not sure if this is the norm for the industry, and I'll probably be jumping ship to a more established, Old Guard-esque shop (hoping for one of the many top ones), but for now I need a break, a real bad break. From being weekend support (again, because nobody else on the team who should be responsible about their work is available so they call me instead) every single weekend since I've joined up to taking the brunt of pressure when things go upside, I need at least a month off, maybe two.

    My budget allows for up to 3 and my wife doesn't mind, and I'm confident I have the skills to jump back in and really push for the top but I'm worried such a large gap will affect how employers view my resume in the future. I'm hoping to package my generalist experience into something marketable and hopefully get a job somewhere I can learn a lot more while being able to actually relax and have a good, clear, defined schedule and support group.

    Ninja edit: Also, going to have to be somewhere in Toronto most likely, wife and I moved to the downtown core recently and we're hoping to stay (especially since it's a hotbed for both our careers).

    Of course, my current job wouldn't really be able to accommodate that (and I wouldn't want them to since it's just more pressure when I come back to pay them back in work effort), so I'd have to leave them and be in limbo for a bit (though that's probably good given I'm slowly going insane just thinking about spending the weekend on-call and working).

    Anybody ever been in this situation and can give me some thoughts on how I should go about this and if it'll affect me poorly in the future?

    TL;DR: Burnt out at current job, working non-stop on so many things despite there teams for each due to lack of work actually getting done and proper QA and testing and support. Looking to get a month or more off, worried about future prospects: would it affect my chances in the future?

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    Trying to Land First Job: Trapped in a Catch-22

    Posted: 04 Apr 2018 06:57 AM PDT

    Hello Community,

    I am new to the industry (bootcamp grad/career switch) and looking for my first job. I've been applying to junior level jobs for the last five months and it is clear to me now that the industry is not friendly to newcomers. That is a reality I've come to accept. With that understanding, I am trying to figure out my weaknesses and the actions I can take to make myself a more hireable candidate. I am here to ask for help from the community to help me more forward.

    I've gotten to the in-person interview stage with a couple of companies, most of the time I don't get past the phone interview. I usually get an email back telling me I don't have enough experience. Take this rejection email for example:

    It really came down to experience. We had 2 hard requirements for the screening process, for deciding which candidates should move ahead to the Assignment stage: knowledge of React and at least 1 year full-time experience working on a production application. When we spoke on the phone, it became clear to me that your experience was not in a full-time capacity. But I enjoyed our conversation and your portfolio shows strength, so I decided to move your application to the Assignment stage, anyway. Unfortunately, during the interview, some people, including myself, found the lack of experience to show. Beyond technical abilities, what we're looking for is someone accustomed to working as part of a large and varied team; someone who can demonstrate their ability to pivot quickly and juggle a few things at once; someone who can speak to the nature of working on a site with many dedicated users and balancing their needs. I'm definitely not saying you lack these skills, or that even if you do that you cannot develop them, but unfortunately, those qualities did not come through in the interview.

    Here is another:

    Based on conversations with the rest of the team and the goals of this role, unfortunately we are not going to move forward with you as a candidate. I love your passion and the projects that you've worked on up to this point. But a key responsibility of this role will be to help us migrate from existing legacy JS code to a more modern structure, which after some thought we believe will require a significant amount of exposure to real-world javascript.

    How do I speak with confidence and experience working on a site with multiple users when I don't have that experience? I was applying to the position to get that experience. Can anyone recommend a way to navigate out of this situation?

    Here is a link to my portfolio site built with Gatsby.js and any feedback on my portfolio/resume would be appreciated. Also any advice on how to penetrate the industry from my position would be appreciated.

    Thank You

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    Experienced engineers: Ever asked your company for a salary increase?

    Posted: 04 Apr 2018 09:04 AM PDT

    Just curious about other people's experiences.

    • When did you ask for it, during performance evaluation season or before?

    • How did you ask for it?

    • What was the response like?

    Thank you.

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    As an adult student, how important will my GPA be in finding a job?

    Posted: 04 Apr 2018 06:24 PM PDT

    So I'm currently 25 years old, working a 9-5 40hr/wk job, and attending college online through Thomas Edison State University. I am currently working towards a BA in CS and just have a quick question: Will my GPA and the college I'm getting my degree from have any measurable impact on my ability to find a job? I'm slated to be done with my degree when I turn 27 or a little before, and my current job is not CS related. I will have 9 years of concurrent work experience on my resume by then if everything stays on track, 6 of them in the Navy as a Nuke Electronics Technician. Thanks for the answers in advance, appreciate the community here.

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    Is it possible/recommended to get a job as a software engineer with a B.S. in Data Science rather than CS?

    Posted: 04 Apr 2018 04:31 AM PDT

    I got admitted to my alt major, Data Science, at my favorite college, UCSD, rather than my intended major, CS, and I'm wondering if I should make due with a D.S. degree or go to a different college.

    Edit: Gah, I'm gushing! Thank you all for your comments! I haven't made my decision yet, but I'm feeling a lot better about the DS option. :)

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    Dilemma over Product Management

    Posted: 04 Apr 2018 06:06 PM PDT

    I feel like I'm wasting my time as a Developer, working on adding small features to the product.

    I really want to work high-level on shaping the product vision in Product Management. I have decided to take the New Grad Software Engineer route rather than the Associate Product Manager route?

    I feel that I should've taken the APM route because I'll end up wanting to be a Product Manager anyways, and it just seems like so much extra effort to be a Developer right now. Does being a Developer help at all for PM positions (think Yelp, LinkedIn, Paypal, etc.). I've heard both conflicting opinions about this. Should I have been a Designer instead?

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    Quitting full-time job as an electrical engineer to learn how to code.

    Posted: 04 Apr 2018 07:16 AM PDT

    I graduated a little over a year ago and have been working as an electrical engineer for about ten months. I'd like to quit either at or before I hit my 1 year mark. I am miserable in my line of work (power systems design) and want to make a career transition into software engineering or something related. I've been trying to study in my spare time after work, but I'm not making as much progress as I'd like.

    I've developed an interest in computers and computer science which I know is not the same as coding, but I want to give it a shot. I'll never be an ultra passionate geek about this stuff, but I have enough of an interest that I've been putting time into learning CS concepts for the past few months. Even though I'm not totally new to coding, I'd say my skill level is beginner.

    My plan is to quit so I can start putting more time into projects, learning more languages and building my portfolio, maybe even taking a class or two at community college. Possibly look into coding bootcamps. As a supplement, I'd also like to look into part-time jobs or internships in a related field, or even freelancing on Upwork. I'd estimate giving it 6 months before starting my next round of job apps.

    Is this a bad idea? Will this work gap be a red flag to employers in the future? Will they wonder why I couldn't juggle working full-time and learning programming at the same time?

    EDIT: I just want to clarify that my job is at a very small consulting firm, we don't have a "software department" so doing an internal transfer is not an option. When I graduated, I didn't do my research in the industry, didn't feel very committed to or optimistic about my EE degree, so I kinda just took the 1st random offer that came my way. I regret it so much. My line of work is complete bullshit honestly. It's very outdated engineering.

    For those who are suggesting that I start in embedded - yeah I totally agree that would have been an awesome idea, but my skill level is just not there. My coursework was very unfocused - I took E-Mag, discrete math, optics, digital circuits, etc and didn't go in depth into any single subject. I have a very shallow background in embedded systems. Basically just messed around with an RPi and Arduino my senior year and I don't even remember that much about it.

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    How do I get references for my second job?

    Posted: 04 Apr 2018 03:01 PM PDT

    I'm thinking about applying to Gitlab in particular but some other places also seem to require references.

    How do I get references if I've only had one job? I've done well at my current company (I just want a pay bump) but I can't exactly expect my manager and my lead to help me leave.

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    Anybody here transition from finance to computer science?

    Posted: 04 Apr 2018 06:39 PM PDT

    Currently working as a underwriting analyst at a bank for a year, but am interested in transitioning over to software engineering (ideally one of the larger tech companies).

    I've been teaching myself coding and know that I really do enjoy it, so it's not a matter of "make sure you like it before you commit."

    Wondering if anybody has made a similar transition - and if so, if I could pick your brain for a few minutes. Main questions are:

    1. How did you go about this career change?
    2. What would be your suggested route? Go back to college for BS degree, or to teach yourself and then start marketing/networking?
    3. Is marketing yourself to one of the larger tech companies feasible?

    All insights are appreciated, thanks in advance!

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    Is it looked down upon to remain at the same company/job while completing undergrad?

    Posted: 04 Apr 2018 06:35 PM PDT

    Hello all. I'm just about completing my undergrad in Computer Science. During my last two years of completing my undergrad, I have worked as a research assistant under a very prestigious professor (including the previous summer). My work mainly consists of data analysis and full stack development, and I have received tremendous experience in both of these areas.

    I will be graduating this month, and I have agreed to renew my contract for the summer. This will result in just about in 2 years of working in this position. For some reason I feel like this is too long to be in one position - even though I have gained valuable experience and have created/worked on useful applications. Most of my peers have job hopped by staying in a position for 4 months to a year before finding another.

    I plan to be employed in a new position in September. I am wondering if remaining in my current position for 2 years will somehow increase the difficulty in finding jobs in the future.

    For the future, I am also wondering how many years software developers usually stick with the same position and/or company after graduation. I'm sure it will vary depending on whether the developer is working for a startup versus a tech company, and job conditions. Another question on that note: will my future employers (of larger, corporate companies) care if I work for a startup versus another tech/corporate company?

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    Need help deciding between two summer internships

    Posted: 04 Apr 2018 04:04 PM PDT

    I have two summer internships:

    Offer A:

    Company: CNBC Industry: business news/media Salary: $25/hour Distance: 20 miles/40 min commute but could be more. Toll is $12.50 a day if I drive Position: CNBC.com Digital video product team Duties: not set in stone; possible help on front end work, maybe datascience work. However, I could possibly be doing some competitor analysis/business related work. Thoughts: New experience. Seems to be more digital product focused. It's a Different opportunity in another industry but afraid there's a possibility that the internship may not be as technical since my project is not set in stone and I was not asked to do a technical interview.

    Offer B:

    Company: Regeneron Industry: pharmaceutical Salary: $20/hour Distance: 15 miles/ 30 mins to 45 mins. No toll Position: Clinical Informatics intern Duties: applying statistical and machine learning techniques to analyze patient health records Thoughts: I Have worked in health field before but seems to be more technically focused since I had to complete a coding problem during interview.

    Situation: However despite all this, I have already accepted cnbc but have not signed their offer letter. Regeneron just came back to me today with the offer. I have until Friday to choose an internship basically where I would have to renege on CNBC if I were to choose regeneron. How bad would it be to renege on CNBC? I feel bad if I were to go to regeneron after accepting CNBC.

    Any advice is much appreciated! I'm thinking that it would be better for a more technically focused role in regeneron for future job prospects. However, I' m not certain that my project for CNBC would not be technical.

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    Have verbal offer from a large seattle company, but they keep delaying to written offer. What gives?

    Posted: 04 Apr 2018 11:07 AM PDT

    I recently received a verbal offer from a large company. Negotiated the pay, talked to the manager of the team I'd be working on, the whole thing.

    My recruiter said I now just need to wait for the written offer. It's been weeks and nothing. I have gotten emails from the company that a written offer has been issued but nothing shows up when I log into their website. The recruiter is telling me that the HR software is being updated and I should wait (how much longer?).

    I am getting concerned about the whole process. Should I be? And has anyone else experienced this?

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    What is the hiring cycle for internships/full time positions?

    Posted: 04 Apr 2018 01:09 AM PDT

    Hi, I'm a bit confused regarding the hiring cycles for internships and full time positions.

    Would appreciate if someone can lay out the general cycles that business tend to follow

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    For those who've come to the realization that they're not smart as they wish they were but found relative success in their career through hardwork and effort, how did you do it?

    Posted: 04 Apr 2018 05:33 PM PDT

    For those who realized that they're not as bright as they wished but were competent enough through hardwork and effort, how did you do it?

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    Full-Stack Job Tasks

    Posted: 04 Apr 2018 05:23 PM PDT

    Just wondering, for those Full-Stack Developers on this sub, how long does it take for you to close out each ticket?

    I'm working with a bunch of UI Developers, and we are overloaded with tickets, so I was curious as to how do Full-Stack Developers even have the time to balance BOTH Front-End AND Back-End tickets?

    Are Full-Stack Developers overworked or do they simply work on less complicated projects? Are they "smarter"?

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    Hello, tech pros. Where do you go to find tech meetings and events?

    Posted: 04 Apr 2018 05:08 PM PDT

    Linkedin? Twitter? I've tried meetup, but since I'm in Miami I might wanna relocate. The options seem slim.

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    Technical CS questions.

    Posted: 04 Apr 2018 05:01 PM PDT

    Hey guys,

    I went to school for a 2 year diploma in software dev. I really excel at programming, pick up languages fast and write clean, good code. I got a job as a military app developer for my countries national defence sector. I have been working here for 4 years, and have developed some really cool applications that are used daily by the military. I excel in the field and have been promoted a few times.

    One problem, I suck at technical interview questions. I get so nervous I can't think, and it seems to get harder every time I do it. It's not even really about not being able to think, its just I have never come across a lot of these topics in school, or any jobs I have ever worked. I have been asked super specific computer science questions that I have never even heard of before. Why do they ask these questions for basic dev roles? I had a couple companies interview me, then they proceed to ask a question about deep computer science that I just don't know the answer to.

    How can I get better at these?

    edit - i don't claim to be familiar with theory side of things on my cv

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    Consultancy is taking off, but still working full time for a company I really enjoy and pays well. Need advice.

    Posted: 04 Apr 2018 10:11 AM PDT

    I'm in a bit of a dilemma. I've been building my own software engineering consultancy business for about 3 years now. We've scored sizeable contracts and I'm pulling in about 300k a year through the company. We're a fully remote team, I employ two developers and a couple of designers, and we've got a maxed out workload. Likely looking for another developer soon as we just secured another contract.

    I've also been employed with a fantastic company with a full time salary position. They required me to be an actual employee to secure government funding for a particular project we are working on. That funding cycle has since finished, but I'm still working for them. My salary in this particular area is really quite good, and it's been a nice source of dependable income that allows most of my business profits to stay within the corporation and invest in growing it. This company was aware of my consultancy business and has given me full freedom to do both, working remote and being flexible with my office hours to accommodate meetings due to my business. They are easily the best employers I've ever worked for, and they go out of their way to make sure I'm happy. They also work with some really interesting tech and don't hesitate to send me to a conference if I feel it will be of benefit.

    The issue is becoming there are only so many hours in the day. I'm managing at least 4 large projects within my business, and seem to be getting more contracts. I still put in my 40 hours a week with my salary position, but it essentially leaves me working two full time jobs. I have a wife and two young children and I'm very keen on being an active father and husband. Luckily I've got a very supportive wife, but I don't see this being maintainable long term. I'm making a whackload of money, but I'm constantly busy and frequently stressed because I have a certain level of quality and reliability that I strive to keep with all of my work, and I feel like I'm starting to be stretched too thin.

    I've debated talking with my full time position about the possibility of transitioning to a contract role, where I could use my team and not have to dedicate 40 hours of my own time to the project. Still have a heavy hand in what gets done and how, but through my business. I worry that, since they are a very engaged company that invests a lot in their employees, they won't be interested in this, or they'll think I'm giving them an ultimatum. On the other hand, they value my work and I believe would like to have me stay, so they may be willing to consider it.

    Anyone have any thoughts, or any similar experiences?

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    Is this internship wage legal?

    Posted: 04 Apr 2018 01:10 PM PDT

    I accepted an offer to a software engineering internship that pays $1,500 per month. My working hours are from 9:00-5:30 and the internship is from May 20th to August 20th. I'm also in Maryland which has a minimum wage of $9.25 and there is a young worker minimum wage of $4.25. Maryland also has a law that states I must be paid semi-monthly

    My hourly rate comes out at $8.14. I'm 19 and this is a 3 month so I think I'm only restricted to young worker minimum wage.

    Some reasons I'm worried that minimum wage laws could be violated * I think I'm being paid monthly * I am working 42.5 hours a week without overtime * I might be under minimum wage

    Could someone tell me if my current internship wage is legal?

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    I absolutely suck at coding and I graduate next May

    Posted: 04 Apr 2018 02:09 PM PDT

    Should I just go back to school for another degree in something I'm more interested in? I like CS, but I hoped I'd get better at it along the years and I barely have. I'm 20 and I currently work in the EMS field.

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    "If I have another role available..."

    Posted: 04 Apr 2018 08:08 AM PDT

    Has anyone heard a recruiter say something during a rejection email along the lines of "If I have another role available that fits, I'll reach out" and actually hear something back?

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