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    Big 4 Discussion - February 25, 2018 CS Career Questions


    Big 4 Discussion - February 25, 2018

    Posted: 24 Feb 2018 11:07 PM PST

    Please use this thread to have discussions about the Big 4 and questions related to the Big 4, such as which one offers the best doggy benefits, or how many companies are in the Big 4 really? Posts focusing solely on Big 4 created outside of this thread will probably be removed.

    Abide by the rules, don't be a jerk.

    This thread is posted each Sunday and Wednesday at midnight PST. Previous Big 4 Discussion threads can be found here.

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    Daily Chat Thread - February 25, 2018

    Posted: 24 Feb 2018 11:07 PM PST

    Please use this thread to chat, have casual discussions, and ask casual questions. Moderation will be light, but don't be a jerk.

    This thread is posted every day at midnight PST. Previous Daily Chat Threads can be found here.

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    What IDE and Build Tools Do You Use to Build Your Web Apps?

    Posted: 25 Feb 2018 09:58 AM PST

    I am preparing myself for my first position in development. Its a DevOps position and from what I can gather the employer deals alot with web applications.

    I have built a fairly complex web application from scratch in the past and I used Maven as a build tool. What are some other build tools or other things that you use for web apps?

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    People who have accepted counter-offers, how's it working out for you?

    Posted: 25 Feb 2018 01:52 PM PST

    I want to hear your stories.

    Did it work out? Are you happy? Why did you want to quit in the first place?

    What has the counter-offer changed or addressed? The salary? Your role?

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    Feeling unmotivated, not sure if being a software developer is right for me

    Posted: 25 Feb 2018 09:52 AM PST

    I've been at my current job for 1.5 years. It's my first full-time job out of graduation.

    I've begun to feel really unmotivated and detached from my work and it's starting to scare me. I spend my days implementing tickets from our tech lead/project manager, dropping everything to make clients happy, not really being taken seriously because I'm still so junior, etc. I try to do good work, but there's nothing I find fulfilling or challenging about what I do. I don't care about the product I'm building, and everything we do feels hacky -- there's little to no coding standards. I feel like a hamster spinning on a wheel. I know there's lots to learn, but I can't find that motivation.

    If I'm so unhappy, I know I should take the initiative to change things about my situation, or find a new role. I could try to find a company with better mentorship, better investment in junior developers, less monotonous tasks, perhaps. But I'm questioning whether I even like software development as a career. I'm afraid if I go to another company, I'll end up resenting my work again. Truthfully, I'm not all that passionate about coding. I don't mind coding, but maybe that's not enough. I don't know if I need to change my mindset, change the way I think about work, think more about what I want for my career, or ...? I just feel so lost.

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    Hiring managers - what companies are red flags on CVs that you group the person into the unlikely category (or worse)?

    Posted: 25 Feb 2018 03:02 PM PST

    I tend to be sceptical of people that have been in the gabling industry or government for more than 2 years or InfoSys. Not sure why InfoSys but the contractors I've worked with in previous roles have been below par.

    I don't refuse to interview them but I'm more critical of their CV then.

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    I have such a burning itch to create but I'm not sure where or how to start. I know this is super common question, but any help?

    Posted: 25 Feb 2018 01:10 PM PST

    I'm in my second programming class in C++, and this class along with the last one sums up my knowledge of programming (no previous experience). I know I'm super new, and though I want to create something so bad, I feel I hardly know anything. At the moment I'm working full time while in school part-time, and along with several hours of commuting each day, I don't have time for much else outside of studying enough to keep A's in my classes. I should mention I work in a completely unrelated field. It's simply a job to get by for now.

    Anyways, I'm dying to learn, dying to create, dying to do as much as I can. I genuinely enjoy the skills I am learning in class, the ability I am developing to create, the problem solving that comes with programming, everything. But just like every other person, I have no fucking clue where to begin when it comes to creating something outside of class.

    After this semester, I have 2.5, maybe 3, years left of school before I graduate. I want as much relevant experience as possible, ideally 2 internships. Year round / part time work would be amazing as well. But I honestly have nothing to put on my resume besides a few relevant courses and a bunch of completely unrelated work experience. I want to build stuff for not only the sake of learning, but as something I can put on a resume to show employers I at least have genuine interest in this field and the ability to learn outside of class. I want relevant experience as soon as possible, but know I can't get it with my resume as is.

    It's not like I'm shooting for a big 4. For the time being, I'm simply worried about shedding this 40 hour a week unrelated job so I can spend my time at work doing things relevant to this field. I just want a decent job when I graduate, and then I can worry about moving to a prestigious company down the road, if that's even something I'm yearning for at that point.

    So, how do I even begin? Is it bad to follow along line by line with a few tutorials just to get the idea of how the process works? I know everyone says to take a problem I have in real life and solve it, but part of the issue is.. I'm not even sure what's really possible.

    Sorry if this was long / rambling / out of line with the sub rules. If so, let me know. Otherwise, I'd love to hear any advice people have to offer!

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    Self-taught web developer, not sure where to go from here

    Posted: 25 Feb 2018 11:08 AM PST

    Some background, I started programming ~3 years ago out of desperation for a career path, since my prior 4 years of college basically amounted to nothing. Turned out I actually really enjoy coding, enrolled in community college classes for a semester before dropping them again because I found a job maintaining the inventory software for a local ecommerce startup.

    Now I'm still working for that same company except I'm doing it remotely. Problem is this is and has always been an absolute dead end, and I have no meaningful experience working with anything but the fairly rudimentary PHP/MySQL required to work with this software. I'm confident that programming is something I want to keep doing but you could say I'm suffering from a pretty severe lack of direction. I've checked out various online learning sites but without a clear objective in mind my self-discipline is spotty to say the least. I did consider re-enrolling in university but for a number of reasons that's not really an option at the moment.

    So I'm kind of clawing for a way forward right now. How do I develop my skills further? Is it just a matter of scraping together a garbage portfolio and hoping it's enough to get hired somewhere else?

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    Is this salary enough for living in Korea

    Posted: 25 Feb 2018 02:08 PM PST

    Hi, I got a job offer from one of the big companies in Korea who are offering me 90k USD annually + housing but on digging up a bit i came across the article (adding in comments since the bot is removing the link), it says one of the big companies hired students from India for 150k USD. Now I am in confusion and I really doubt if my salary is good by market standards.

    Can anyone on this sub throw light on this (especially who are currently living there or have worked there recently), also how to negotiate with them. And what would be a reasonable quote?

    TIA

    Adding: I currently work in CA (2 years), current pay scale: 130-140k USD, looking for opportunities elsewhere

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    Path to a cybersecurity job where more software engineering is involved?

    Posted: 25 Feb 2018 10:28 AM PST

    I'm a freshman in college trying to figure out what kind of career I want to have within the large umbrella of 'computer science'. Cybersecurity intrigues me, but there are a lot of things associated with the field that I don't want anything to do with. It seems there are a lot of jobs where managing enterprise IT infrastructure is the primary role. This type of "corporate" or "business" security interests me a lot less than the actual research and development of software vulnerabilities.

    So my question is, how would one start a career path in cybersecurity leading up to the latter rather than the former? I expect it would involve a strong background in software engineering/development, and I can't imagine certifications like Sec+ and Net+ would be of much use. I understand this level of security is very technical, and I'm unlikely to land a job anywhere near it coming out of college. But the path leading from college to these positions seems rather vague. I'd appreciate any clarifying thoughts from anyone currently in the field, and how they got into it.

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    What would possibly be the best career options for a person with this profile?

    Posted: 25 Feb 2018 07:01 PM PST

    There's an overwhelming amount of career options in Computer Science, however I'd like to ask for some help to find out what are the best options given my present skills and life situation.

    I'm not 18 years old anymore. Currently I'm studying for a CS degree and I have no plans of dropping out. This means I'll finish college by around the age of 28. So career paths that may add up even more years of schooling on top of that ( such as getting a PhD and so on ) are definitely off the table. Becoming financially stable as quickly as I can is more important to me than getting intellectual pleasure out of my profession.

    Before I got into CS I had no previous programming experience. I have intermediate Python skills and some amount of Linux and CS Theory, but that's about it.

    I have writing, communication and research skills that are clearly above most of the population and definitely above most people in this field. ( I mean writing and communication on my native language, of course ). This came from years studying fields related to Humanities. So maybe it'd be wiser to choose a career path where I'd have to spend some time actually writing and communicating with people rather than getting into something where I'd just write code 24/7 while competing with people who have been into this since they were teenagers.

    I like the idea of not having a boss and being responsible for my own profit. I'm more into feeling like I'm doing business rather than feeling like I'm working my way up a corporate ladder.

    I have been thinking about getting into web development, or maybe Android development, but I'd like to hear more opinions to see if other options may be recommended for someone with this particular profile. What should I get into? And most importantly, what should I definitely stay away from? So please let me hear your thoughts on this.

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    What do you do and how much math do you use?

    Posted: 25 Feb 2018 04:30 PM PST

    I'm curious how math comes into play at your work. Yes, I know that math is theoretically involved everywhere, whether it's a simple calculation of big O or a complex matrix multiplication. However, I'm trying to know how much you have to actually go on a white board and write down some math equations. If you do do it, what is it for and what math (bad way to say it) are you using? Is it linear equation? Is it multivariate calculus? Statistics? Or some econ/finance equations you use to calculate.... Whatever you calculate

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    Software Developer With Data Analyst Offer

    Posted: 25 Feb 2018 04:05 PM PST

    As the title states I am currently a software developer making $52000 a year in a low col area. I really enjoy my job, but I don't like the area at all. I recently received an offer for a data analyst position in a high col area (Jersey City, NJ) for $75000. I was wondering what people think of the offer and what the Data Analyst career track is like. Will I need my master's? Is there a large potential for growth in the greater nyc area? Is $75000 a fair offer?

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    Self-taught developer with a freelance opportunity placed in front of me. What should I do to prepare?

    Posted: 25 Feb 2018 06:34 PM PST

    I dropped out of college and to "stand out" when applying for jobs, I built an implementation of a niche technology for a platform which it did not support. The project is somewhat mature after almost a year of research & development and listed in the "awesome-<insert language or technology here>" repository on github. When I started, the tech was almost unheard of, but has since been rapidly growing (that was the bet I made when starting). To give you an idea of the tech, it falls in the category of "distributed, concurrent, message-based & streaming systems". So something like Apache Kafka.

    I have no idea how much work like this is actually worth, but I responded to a social-media post where poster was looking for help with X technology. He was retweeted by the lead developers of platforms of the tech (I am followed by a couple of them, a 22-year-old baby-faced dude without shit for credentials besides a github project, just to give you an idea of how niche the tech is). It looks like a very legitimate & awesome opportunity.

    I've never done anything more than a few at-will hourly contracts. After emailing the person who was looking for help and laying out my experience, linking accounts, etc., and going back and forth with high-level stuff he forwarded the email chain directly to the clients and basically told them to "take it from there". Technically speaking, I am very confident that I am qualified to do the job (been working on my DevOps abilities, etc.) but I have never done anything like this before.

    How do I prepare? Any red flags to watch out for? Protect my interests? How should I determine my rate, etc.? The company is not in the USA, by the way.

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    Computer Graphics - is it useful outside of game dev/media?

    Posted: 25 Feb 2018 08:54 AM PST

    Companies with No Reviews

    Posted: 25 Feb 2018 08:02 PM PST

    I know you should trust glassdoor and other online reviews with a grain of salt when researching companies, but I still find them pretty helpful overall. However, what do you do when a company interviews you but there's no reviews on them whatsoever online? I get that it may mean they're a small/relatively unknown company, but should that be considered a red flag in of itself?

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    Opportunity to sell my web application, but unsure on how to proceed

    Posted: 25 Feb 2018 07:59 PM PST

    I've spent the last two years developing a sports-related web application as a side project, and decided to approach a few big names in the sports industry to see if there was any interest in the application.

    To my surprise, one of the companies got back to me, essentially expressing a large amount of interest in the web app, and wanting to discuss how the application fits into their business. Without going into too much detail, it's a standalone application that'll drive traffic to their website and likely be used to generate some ad revenue.

    My ultimate goal, if possible, is to be hired or contracted by the company to continue working on the application under their domain. The problem is that I've just recently graduated and feel completely lost on how to proceed. Does anyone have a similar experience in selling an application, and being retained by the purchasing party as an employee?

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    How difficult is it to find your second job?

    Posted: 25 Feb 2018 07:32 PM PST

    I'm looking to leave my first job in the public sector. I'm coming up on a year here, and want to explore my options.

    My whiteboarding skills are weak, and had a hell of a time finding my first job a year ago. I failed a lot of coding challenges and phone screens. I had three whiteboards interviews in my life. I bombed one for an internship, bombed a different one for full-time, and passed the last one who gave me an offer (4 hours long). I denied that offer and took my current job because it paid more.

    I've been so exhausted working and commuting that I haven't had time or motivation to study. I'm very unconfident in my skills, but have been trying to read CTCI in my free time.

    How difficult is it to find a second job and how long did it take? Any advice is appreciated!

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    Employee gave me his contact information when I asked about internship at his company, what do I do?

    Posted: 25 Feb 2018 11:58 AM PST

    Yesterday, I struck up a conversation with a guy. He turned out to be an employee of a local company with a summer software internship I was hoping to apply for.

    After I told him I was planning on applying for their summer internship, he gave me his contact information and told me to contact him and he could see what he could do to get me that internship.

    My question is, how do I proceed? How do I write this first email? I've never been in this situation before, and I'm having trouble finding the right balance between "getting-to-the-point" and "being-polite".

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    When to ask for a raise?

    Posted: 25 Feb 2018 07:13 PM PST

    So I accepted a position 2 months ago in my first dev position; I was hesitant about accepting it despite having been unemployed for the 4 months prior because the offer was 20% under market rates in my area (which basically means after food, car payment, rent and gas I just break even) and I was told their was no room for negotiation, but was also told not to worry as there are regular pay reviews. In the 2 months I've been here, I've been ahead by 3-4 days work on every 2 week sprint (time estimates are created by the senior devs) and am thinking I might ask for a raise, is it too early?

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    What kind of personal projects can help me land a job?

    Posted: 25 Feb 2018 03:20 PM PST

    A little background info, by this summer I would've been out of school for 2 years. I have my BS in Comp Sci but I'm not sure how much help it's been.

    First year out of college I couldn't land a real job so I kind of bounced around working retail in electronics and the last crap job I had involved doing hardware repairs. Eventually I was able to land a job doing IT work.

    It's with a big hospitality company with restaurants, hotels and clubs. I learned a lot of admin work as well as the business side of tech but I really have no interest in this stuff.

    In all this time I never stopped applying for a software dev job but have only been able to land one interview. I feel like I did ok, but I'm pretty sure someone with better experience landed the job.

    I think what sucks on my resume is personal projects. I updated my resume a lot and had a recruiter look at it and feel really good about it.

    The actual experience sucks though, it's all IT related stuff and customer support. Nothing on it is really technical and my projects kind of suck. It's just some calculator app and a random decryption program.

    What kind of personal project can help me stand out that will help me land an interview?

    My only 2 somewhat ambitious projects that I never finished was an online portfolio that would pretty much show off what I can animate using code and a phone app to track how many wins I need to rank up in a game. I'm not sure how to stand out as a programmer rather than some dumb IT guy.

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    Questions on options, which direction to take. Helpdesk Teamlead, capable of sysadmin/PACS admin, DBA hopeful.

    Posted: 25 Feb 2018 06:54 PM PST

    Hi All,

    Normally when I come to reddit I end up writing walls of texts, I'll do my best this time not to. Any advice/help is appreciated.

    Background

    Based in Los Angeles.

    2012-2014 - First IT job. Fell into it (originally hired as different position at company). Mainly helpdesk stuff, small company < 15. $13/hr

    2014-2015 - Next IT job. Bigger company (~50 eomployees). Mostly the same stuff, desktop, phone, hardware, software support etc. $15/hr

    2015-present - Next IT job. My first "jump" was made here. Started at $17/hr, healthcare IT. 1st raise after 3 months to $19/hr. Started as helpdesk mostly, progressed very quickly to team lead within 1 year. First job with a call schedule. Moved from mostly helpdesk to mostly sysadmin/pacs admin/project stuff after the 1st year. Gaining a lot of experience with Windows 2008-2012 servers. STill helpdesk team lead, and the team of 7 still escalate all higher end requests to me if they can't figure it out. next raise at 9 month mark to 23/hr. next raise at 18 month mark to 30/hr/$62kyear (salaried now, not hourly). This is important. At 18 month mark, started dabbling in databses, company paid for those cheap $20 lessons on Udemy, as many as I wanted to learn what I wanted. Currently have about a years worth of experience in databases, started with Access, moved quickly to SQL. Built a full backend for the IT team to use internally on SSRS to make every day work easier, more efficient. Recently built a (very very ugly) front end for my team to use as well to enter data that we need to (new employees, whatever it is). Using SQL to monitor things we couldn't monitor before, with automatic emails and alerts for certain things. In my opinion, huge benefit to company and IT team. I also run ad-hoc reports for our management/president, they find it very useful to see productivity of thigns and what not. It's gotten to the point where I have automatic reports emailed to our clients of things they need as well from our databases. I understand I am still very green on SQL and databases, and I have a LOT to learn. Have done a lot at this company to bring the IT dept up to an acceptable running level (driven by our CIO, but he can't have all the credit!), dept was in shambles when I started. I have the deepest understanding of 90% of our software out of anyone other than our CIO. I've also been here the longest at 2.5 years if that tells you anything about our turnaround rate....

    short story

    OK, now that the background is done, here's where I am at. I am unhappy where I currently work. I am REALLY not trying to sound conceited, but I do believe that I am a "rockstar" at this company and believe I am worth much more than I am paid. A $62K salary in Los Angeles for what I do is much too low, considering what I do. I'm obviously not a DBA, and I'm a very long way from it. But between that skillset that I bring to my company, along with basically being the "IT Manager/team lead", and much more that I am capable of (PACS Admin, HL7, etc.) I just need more.

    • My company is known for paying very low. Our 2 previous "rockstars" left, 1 before I started, and one a couple of months after I started. They are still making the same mistakes with me I believe.
    • I have had to push extremely hard on my previous raises. My last raise (23/hourly to $62k salaried) actually wasn't a raise with the hours I work. It was a complete lateral move losing my OT pay. i was on pace for $60k-$65k anyway with OT and our on-call sched.
    • I have requested formall another raise, in December of 2017. I received an update in late December saying "it would have to wait until after the holidays, too busy". I had to follow up in January to get an update. It is nearly 3 months now without the requested raise.
    • The company recently "merged" or partnered with another company. This may or may not have an affect of my requested raise.

    It's not all bad. I do love my company, and I know they do love me back (aside from the money part). Again, without sounding conceited...I am praised fairly often, and they make it known how much they appreciate and value me (aside from the money..). I am not micromanaged at all, with a somewhat flexible schedule. What I've traded for in money, I've definitely gained in opportunity and learning experiences. I do not know how many other companies there are where I could have learned this much in such a little amount of time.

    the questions

    What are my options? I'm very confident if a PACS Administrator job (healthcare sysadmin sort of...) popped up in my area, I could do the job fairly easily. I believe I could handle a sysadmin job too, as I have enough of an understanding of Windows servers at least. Either of these jobs would be an instant $10-$25k pay jump.

    The problem is, I don't think I really want a sysadmin/pacs admin job, even if I did get one. I really want to go the database route of some sort, ad-hoc reports are probably the most fun part of my day when management requests them. I'm at the point in my life where the amount I make is just not enough. So here are my questions.

    • Is it normal to wait 3 months for a raise after a request? There is no structed "yearly" performance reviews here. I personally feel disrespected that I had to hound them for updates, rather than them coming to me and in general this taking so long. Am I right in feeling this way, or am I in the wrong?

    • Based on my location and my vague description of my job, am I being underpaid as much as I think I am?

    • Has my company done their best to keep me happy with raises (I understand that 3 in less than 2 years is hell of a lot more than most places...), and I'm just being entitled and unreasonable? On one side I feel like I deserve more for incredible rate I am learning, and the incredible rate my responsibilities have increased. On the other hand, 3 raises in 2 years already...SO yeah, put me in my place if I'm in the wrong here.

    • What's my best way to get into a database type job? Do I stick it out here, and just hope for a raise? I am learning a whole lot here, and it doesn't stop, and I know I need to learn a hell of a lot more to become a DBA. With this new "merger", I'm told there are "many opportunities"...I'm just tired of waiting. I've been looking at the job market...there aren't really a lot of opportunities for someone with only 1 years of SQL experience out there.

    So, yeah. Thanks for your help. Hope it wasn't too much to read.

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    How hard is it to earn 1500$/month remotely for an (ex?)student/junior dev?

    Posted: 25 Feb 2018 01:28 AM PST

    A little bit of context first:

    I'm currently studying computer science in one of the best schools in my country, I know that I'm lucky to be here and that I'll surely end up with a better salary than most people.

    But I'm not sure I want to dedicate 10000 hours of my life to graduate and end up with a six figure salary, working 40/50/70 hours a week for years...

    Don't get me wrong, I love coding, but the idea of working all day with people I don't like to make money for someone else sounds like an awful prospect.

    So my goal is simple:

    I want to move to a cheap country and work remotely(for as little hours as possible) as a freelancer.

    How hard would it be to make 1500 or 2000$/month remotely in my situation?How many hours could it reallistically take?

    I have no work experience for now(but I started coding long before college), I'm supposed to get my first internship in about 2 months,

    I could also get a full time job(a lot of older students got full time jobs and quit school instead of getting internships, they get paid about 20% less than the graduating students, but it's still a great pay),

    Would it be better to get a full time job before trying freelancing?

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    Age 30, doing RoR @ ~150k/yr, want to pivot away

    Posted: 25 Feb 2018 09:56 AM PST

    I make about ~150k/yr as a senior RoR developer. I worked my way up to this salary by noting that I provide a lot of value for what are fairly high-revenue-per-month products -- I just simply asked for the raises I wanted. In other words, I found a nice niche and "Made It." I know I'm doing well for age 30, and know that there are a lot of circumstances of this that I should be thankful for.

    That said, I am really insecure at the success I've found, and know this compensation outside the norm -- even for very skilled Rails devs. I've let some things slip: not keeping up solid professional contacts (I am remote too, which is bad in this respect), not doing speaking/writing, stuck on legacy Rails knowledge due to age of this product. I know this gravy train isn't going to last, and this hill I've found myself atop of would be easy to fall off of. My job satisfaction has fallen a lot recently, and the company is not putting me on newer projects, creating a situation where I could be slowly phased out (I'm remote, and suspect the company is trying to consolidate new talent on-site). I do a lot of support work at this point -- no green field stuff.

    Ultimately, I don't really want to be a "web developer in Rails." I excel at hard problems on the back-end (e.g. one time I ended up having to solve 2-way data sync between two disparate data sources -- inadvertently learning CAP theorem). When I was a kid, I was goofing around with metasploit, writing cheats for games using API hooks & assembly/C, and other fun stuff.

    Feel like the inspired person I was back then ended up optimizing their way into a cushy, but boring work situation, and it's now a career risk since I am not really sure I can keep up what I make elsewhere just being a Rails person. My skillset has dulled, and even my problem-solving abilities. I know it's time to move on, but I am not sure where to move.

    I suspect I should pivot into "big data" (I know the tech is neat, and know that 180k/yr at certain corps is not out of the question), compliance (PCI, HIPAA, pen testing), or DevOps (do have experience in AWS orchestration wizardry). I want to intersect difficult, hopefully interesting abstract tech problems with where the money spigots are.

    I think I feel lost here and am not sure where to start. If I was junior, I'd go find an appropriate job that nets me these skills. Is the answer simply the same for someone in my position? i.e. walk down the hill, probably take a salary hit, and find my way back up to more solid ground? Or, should I take my own damned advice and try to make a name for myself to consult from? (presentations, Medium blogging, etc.)

    Hoping others have been in this situation (possibly even borderline burned out -- as I think I am), and if they recognized it, and successfully pivoted to ensure their future technical relevancy. It is entirely possible that this needs to be solved non-technically (e.g. quit, do something out of the norm, and re-ignite the creativity necessary to find what to do next). Maybe the answer I need is obvious, I just don't want to see it :)

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    Entry-level Software Engineering - DevOps? Pigeon-holed?

    Posted: 25 Feb 2018 06:34 PM PST

    I told my interviewer I wasn't interested in automation and now I have an offer from a pretty good name (but old/slower) company to work on their main product as a DevOps Engineer. My official title is software engineer but I think it is DevOps work. I was told I would be working with Java, Cassandra, Influx, Grafana, SIP technologies, Linux, Jenkins, Learning about "Dockers", deploying servers, installing machines/OS. I then read online that this job requires automation and a lot of IT. Honestly-- I don't know anything about pigeonholing and career paths in this industry. In school I was a cs major and I studied a lot of web technologies but then went on to avoid it because of certain stupid stigma's I heard from my classmates. I think I want to be a software engineer designing and building apps. Am I pigeon-holing myself here? I feel scared and I honestly have no idea what I am doing.

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    Awful experience at first job out of school. Feeling like an imposter, doddling, lost. Any suggestions of an alternative to the 8 to 5 office gig?

    Posted: 24 Feb 2018 09:51 PM PST

    So I landed my first job out of college at an independent software consulting company. Pay and benefits were shit but the lead engineer was enthusiastic about teaching and the company was happy to accommodate personal time. I was genuinely stoked to be a part of it because I played an important role creating new software and was learning a ton about development. All that changed when they hired a new, "CTO".

    Guy's startup was failing and he was hired while trying to hock it to the owner of the company. Guy talks the Silicone talk, but the cracks started to show immediately. Guy has a vendetta against OOP, ideas that aren't his, and tech outside of his experience. Loves his 5000 line app.js file though. Egregiously underbids a contract we had planned by hundreds of hours, then blames it on us, for, "training". A banking application he said he could, "program in a weekend" without so much as reading our white sheets or my notes from consulting with the client or understanding the process the client wanted. Insists we use a stack we had no experience with and a document db to represent what amounted to 4 small SQL tables. Because microservices.

    To top it off he's the pompous alpha type and actively fostered an atmosphere of pissing contests, needless blaming, making commits at 2AM, and niggling others' ideas for no constructive sake. Even getting red-faced angry and outright confrontational over mild misunderstandings, come to find a pattern of that behavior on Glassdoor, left by an intern at his previous company. Final straw comes down to, "I'd like to occasionally forego my break or come in early to leave an hour early to pick my kids up from daycare." To which he responds, "it's the man's job to provide for his wife...". He backpedals, writing me an email at 10 PM, a flowery 6-month review without consulting the people I'd actually been working with. His idea of constructive criticism being complaints about shitting in the morning and brushing my teeth at work.

    To my knowledge the banking app still can't generate the core functionality requested by the client.

    I tendered my resignation without actually having another job lined up. I could not take it, the 8 to 5 was killing my soul. The notion of giving assholes like that time I could be spending with my 2 young kiddos makes me want to puke. I've been applying for jobs and I even applied for graduate school but my heart isn't in it like it was a few months ago. Don't get me wrong, I fucking love programming and engineering (mathematical) process. I have a lot to offer but I'm just, eh, shaken.

    I left on good terms with everyone else in the company. Now I'm looking for ideally a part-time job or basically anything flexible. I'm not afraid to work hard, I have real experience, interview well, have a real degree, etc, but I simply can't seem to shake this bad experience.

    Any words of wisdom, suggestions, rude-awakenings, etc are welcome. How do I get back on a horse knowing the last thing I want is to chase a carrot on a stick like a cartoon character? What if this kind of job or working environment isn't for me but I still want to make software?

    Edit: I know I sound whiner after reading this. I'm going to leave it for now though in case someone has some good advice.

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